Hot Rods to Paint or Patina? need your help!

Lying. lol

it’s just an old car.
Enjoy however

 

@BillS

 

Cars and trucks with original paint that has chips and years of wear that's patina not clearing over rust. As for the car in question I would paint it.

 

@Sharpone ,

Just in case any newby or those not quite in the know thought otherwise....Cobbie & I have a blast picking on each other both in person & on the forum! I have a picture he doesn't want me to post & he could easily get & post the video of me singing Tom Waits early in the morning (2-3AM) at the original Lloydfest. LMAO. Although I am the one who wanted to hide Lloyds El Camino in the woods that night.

In all seriousness.....I hate patina (especially rust that is called patina) & I love D.A. stripping a car out in the sun on a hot day getting rid of "patina" however Cob's is one of the few that just screams original & for that I am impressed.

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

 

I knew youz guyz were screwing around hence the double pinky swear lol. (That’s a knew one I just learned from my 7 yo granddaughter)
Dan

 

I knew you had that figured out Dan,

However I didn't want the fun to stop anybody else from making the trip to Lloydfest IV thinking we messed with folks rides!

Looking forward to meeting you in person there!

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

 

In my opinion, patina is the natural deterioration of a paint job. Cheap paint deteriorates faster the high quality paint, but even if the cheap paint has deteriorated normally, it still has patina. Primer is cheap paint, naturally deteriorating primer on an entire car, is still patina.

If the paint has been sanded off (or other wise removed) it is no longer patina. If body panels have been replaced with different colored pieces (or pieces with no paint), it is not patina. If the body has been spot primed, it is not patina, even if that spot primed area has naturally deteriorated.

Replaced body panels, or panels that have had the paint removed is OK on a beater, or on a car in the process of being repaired, but that is not patina, its an in process repair (there is no time frame on an uncompleted repair, its still a repair in process). Previously repainted body parts on a patina car body depend on how long ago the repair was done, and what the intended purpose the repaint was, and the condition of the previous repaint.

I looked at a car over the weekend, most of the car had naturally deteriorating original paint except for the hood and front fenders. Someone sanded off some the original paint (sanding grooves still present), added a few spots of brown primer and sanded it again. I don't know why such a thing was done, but the guy called it patina. I call it needing to be painted.

 

So deteriorating primer is patina, but not if the vehicle isn't fully primed? Damaged paint is patina, but damage to the point that it falls/wears off is no longer patina? The pro-paint crowd sure takes a long walk to try to justify their love for painted vehicles.

 

My lifetime knowledge of the word (or definition learned) was meant to describe the look of items cared for over time, not new, and yet not worn enough to merit refinish. Think old furniture. Gramma's silver tea set. Old candlesticks. That 100 yr old black piano that needs nothing but it's biannual furniture polish treatment. What you observe need not be perfect, but what wear or use is evident actually adds value to it that isn't monetary. In our car world, imagine finding a 33 Ford 3W that was cherished by its original owner. Always washed regularly. Serviced, kept up in every way. No rust, a few blemishes that were occasionally dabbed in. You can literally see that in your imagination rt now. How much more is it worth being that nice vs one restored with a measure of repro ****, modern high gloss paint, etc. Right hand raised, I'd be in the long line if I were forced to choose one over the other.

This bronze statue definition? Whatever. We here in this hangout are talking of artisinal appearances, not the age of bronze. Actual patina, and the use of the word be it colloquial or not, should never describe decay. That's as much to the discussion of the use of the word I can offer. Contrarians and pot stirrers aside I think we all know it when we see it. Maybe repop ¼ panels should be called patina treatment sections

 

None of my rides have dictionaries in the glove boxes


****. They can’t read either

 

Cob,And hopefully what it will be. I spent so many years chasing the Mistress Perfection.Now I hate that wench. Then I see her at Mark or Neal's place ,and I fall in love all over again.

 

It is in my world.
Fully primed that is deteriorating could be all the paint the guy could afford.
Spot primed is a started repair that has not been completed. Had it been completed, it would have been painted. There is no time frame on a repair that has not been completed.
Aged, touched up, chips or minor scratches, are a form of maintenance, someone trying to maintain the car's appearance.
Not my fault if you can't comprehend the difference.
I'm not a pro paint guy, but I'm also not the guy that calls a rusted out ride or a faked old paint job patina.

Feel free to call what ever you choose, what ever you want. Different opinions make the world go around.

 

And the guys with beaters and junkers sure fight tooth and nail to try and have their rides accepted as 'patina'.
They are all cool in their own right, but surely you can see that the word patina doesn't stretch that far.

It's all about phases.
There are phases that a car goes through as it deteriorates. The aging and wear over time of a properly cared for finish is the 'patina' part of the process...... but a phase has a beginning and an end. At some point the patina phase is over, and the process moves on to what might be called 'delapidation'. This will happen to all cars given time. The procees is slowed only by the care and effort put in to maintain the finish. Some owners will get past the patina phase very quickly (we all know the type), but some can stretch it out almost indefinitely by limited use and excellent care.

As such, do you really think we should use the word 'patina' to describe the whole journey of a car from brand spanking new all the way to it disappearing back into the ground as rust...??? Think phases. Patina is only the beginning.

 

They will all be gone eventually
No matter what you call it

 

You're right, the car doesn't know........... but perhaps we should.

 

So paint jobs cost too much and take too long, and patina ****s? OK I'm taking notes. How about oil? And has everybody gotten their rodders journal yet? I like old nasty stuff, kinda like some of you guys, plus I can't afford to paint my ****, because I'm well aware of how much it costs. If I'm gonna sand and weld and grind, somebody is gonna pay me

 

Why

 

Here here.
I’ll paint one of mine one day. But not today.


you left out young people not digging old cars

 

I'm doing the interior in my falcon, and it's the hardest thing I've ever done to sit at that sewing machine, knowing I'm doing it for free lmao!

 

Nothing I have said is about putting down anyone's prefered finish on their car. Just pointing out that not all the cars people are posting pics of should be called patina. It's ok to fall outside the definition. Doesn't make it any less cool.

 

Hoo-hah!!!



If it was mine, I'd want to paint it.

 

My cruiser is called “big girl”. The wife named it

 

....ok......???

 

Has the OP even come back? I think people just start threads like this and bail to mess with everyone.

 

And, not sure how I missed this comment! That has to be one of my favorites ever!

 

That one was hilarious Jeff!

Most of us appreciate all cars & the efforts made by the guys building them!

It is easy to delineate between the folks trying their best to fix their rides Vs the ones trying to make fake patina or are too lazy to fix the blatant rot. Just easier to claim it is patina! LMAO!!!

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

 

This **** is highly subjective...but should not be. Bad paint is bad paint. At this rate, the next logical leap forward, will have collision damage, broken gl***, rat infested interiors and poor running grime covered engines considered "patina"...

 

Oh yeah, I’m here. I should have known better than to start a conversation on the topic. I posted a little earlier about my plans for the car. Not going to lie, the comments back and forth are more entertaining than I thought they would be.

 

I tend to lean this direction as well. The body has history. Just trying to decide if a new paint job is going to be part of that history… as long as it’s not fake patina, I’m cool with it. Call it whatever you want!