In Your Opinion...Where Is the Cut-Off Date???

70 here

 

Turk 182

 

I don't think that on Dec 31 1964 Old style went dead. Matter of fact muscle cars were around long before the 64 GTO. 409's 413 etc....I think the Pony car thing changed things. A mind set was changing. That being said 65-66 were some wild years for customs A/FX , all kinds of things

 

When I was a kid.... you NEVER crossed 48th street.

I can live with that 'till I die.

Hell, some people on this board think a pymouth valiant is a hot rod and a ford falcon is a custom.

Guess I'm getting old.

 

Is the El Matador '40 ford a rod or a custom? I don't think a cutoff designated strictly by year works.

Oh yeah and yall ain't a contraction - yall's is.

 

Far as my personal taste, or lack thereof goes, 1979 is my cutoff year. If you use your imagination a bit, there are some '70s cars that have a bunch of customizing potential. Boat tail Rivs, '70-'76 Caddies, '70-'77 Monte Carlos and Grand Prixs and my personal favorite, the '77-'79 T-Birds just to name a few. In fact, I've got a solid '79 in storage that I've owned for years sittin' in storage that will eventually become a mild custom. If everybody but me hates it, oh well....


Jan

 

Which has nothing to do with anything.

 

1948 is the accepted standard cut off over here and most of the guys who argue against it are the ones who have no idea how to resurect something that old or they know how cool rods are and want to be included in the scene but drive something newer,flat black falcons and valiants with whitewalls are not hot rods!never will be ,ther are a lot of guys here who think they are as well and over here the line is getting blurred even more since the rat craze has taken off any fool with a rattle can and $200 can buy a shit heap 60s car paint it lower it and think their a rodder ? we all know their not that simple to build so i agree 48th st should never be crossed unless it s your beater ,but itll never be a rod,hot rod magazine will never be in my stash as they rarly have rods in em,just muslce car s which i have no interes in ,its got me fucked why they call it a hot rod mag

 

And, a Hot Rod doesn't have to be flat black and have wide whitewalls.....................And the owner doesn't have to have dopey tattoos.

 

I prefer rust pre 48, and really good tattoos

 

I want to change my answer. Febuary 3, 1959. Wait, that's the day the music died...

back to the drawing board.

Obviously we can't say up until 19XX is a hot rod and after is a custom. Life isn't that simple...

 

This is really a stupid post. lets all talk about the differences of traditional builds vs ratrods or what is a hotrod or fuck it..
I dont know why I read this...
Rusty.... I agree with others. Spend more time posting some tech shit or post a problem your having in the garage. These posts are stupid banter.

 

Might I direct you to his latest ingenious thread....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144624

 

I guess the answer depends on how old you are and when you got into the hobby. I'll be 56 next month and spent my first full day at a car show when I was 10, they had a pre 1943 cut off date back then. For me Pre 1916 is an Antique or Brass Car, Pre 1943 is an old car, Classics are the high end cars regognizes by the CCCA, a true Hot Rod was built Pre 1965 from a pre 1949 vehicle. Customs are built from Pre 1965 vehicles in my opinion. The others '40's, '50's, '60's etc. are what they are. Oh, almost forgot Vintage Sports cars & Race Cars are also pre 1965 IMO, along with motorcycles. SO, the cut off year of interist for me personally is 1965.

 

1970 is the cutoff year for anything worth driving.

 

And the same guy started them both..............Hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

plz

 

Who really cares what anybody thinks as long as you like what you see when you step back and like what you feel when you step on it. Leave all the classification bullshit to Hemmings' collectors. But that's just me, i'm a '60.

 

another way to put it-- if hitting the dashboard with your head is likely to kill you, it's probably a good year.

 

Pre 1893! Newer cars are gay...

 

in the old days they had range wars over people drawing lines with barbed wire.
I feel the same about drawing lines today. what some club, magazine, group, sets up as a time frame that suits them does not change the world.
The dumbest one (other than this post) is customs. anything that is customized is a custom regardless of year make or model! Does that make sense?
Hot Rods are modified stockers! no year make or model. If I put a 426 Hemi in a Toyota Pius its going to be a fucking hot rod! does that make sense?
now when the factory tries to build a hot rod. they are hot stockers or you could use Muscle car. 2006 Chrysler SRT8 is a hot car probably blow the doors off most hot rods. but it will never be a Hot Rod does that make sense?
Now all this is my opinion, and that has not or will not change one single mind on this board. It's just another Opinion!! Does that make sense?
I'm surprised that someone hasn't added this

 

Isn't it past your bedtime?

 

Im kinda sorry I posted on this now, it degenerated quite quick.
Dangit, now look what'cha made me do! Posted again........

 

1970

 

dont forget this one

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140884

 

This is an excellent subject - classic, antique, muscle, hot rod, custom, etc.

My feeling is that "classic" is grossly overused- Classic should be a vehicle that epitomizes an era...a style...or a vehicle that stands out from a design or engineering standpoint from its cookie-cutter contemporaries. Cord and Duesenburg are good examples...pre-1941 Packards, pretty much any 30s Caddy/Lincoln. In my not so humble opinion, there aren't many "classics" of the more modern era, due mostly to marketing departments and government intervention.

Antiques is a term that should be relegated to brass-era cars of any make.

Muscle cars probably began with the first large V8 in a mid-size car - although using that definition puts the Olds 88 of 1949 pretty much right in the beginning...mostly muscle cars have a performance emphasis, so notwithstanding the dubious claims of PMD, the GTO was NOT the "first muscle car", nor was the '55 Chrysler 300 and its ensuing versions.

Hot rod and/or street rod - by definition of the NSRA - any modified car manufactured prior to 1949. I don't agree - I think any vehicle which is modified for enhanced performance should be considered a hot rod - street rod is just another version used to clean up the sullied image implied from bad deportment of said owner/drivers in the 50s.

Custom - pretty much the opposite of hot rod. A vehicle where more money was spent on body/frame modifications than was spent on the engine compartment. Not that some customs didn't have some awesome engines, but the overall impetus was to create a car with some visual diversity and an expression of the owner's own style.

Collectibles - this term defines itself. Pretty much anything that someone wants bad enough to bid on it could be considered a collectible (note that collectible is the noun, collectable is the verb).

I don't necessarily believe (irrespective of the NSRA legalese) that there are any "cut-off" years for the above categories. A '41 Ford can be (and certainly has been) extensively "customized" as well as "hot-rodded". A '58 Impala with some shaving/smoothing with a high-performance engine is more of a hot rod...although were it left reasonably stock (mild hop-up) with the same body mods, would more likely be considered a "custom".

That's my nickel's worth. Just a long-time car nut with plenty of opinions.

"...two cool shorts sittin' side by side..."

dj

 

Now that thread's a CLASSIC!!! wait.... or is it?