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I'm NOT a machinist, but I play one on TV - DIY axle shortening

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by HemiRambler, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. HemiRambler
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    Part 2 - to my resplining post the other day.....

    I did this kinda backwards due to my equipment limitations at home, but it appears to have been sucessful nonetheless.

    I got a killer deal on a dividing head last year missing some small parts so after fabbing those I was excited to finally try it out.

    I didn't have the "correct" cutter either (this IS a budget operation) so I made due with a 3/8" solid carbide end mill. Contrary to some comments/beliefs the other day the endmill survived just fine on the un-annealed shaft - I just went SLOW and had lube on it full time. Also for the record the hardness is rather deep on these (factory Ford shaft) at approximately 3/16" deep - so it might survive - we'll see.

    All said and done - after measuring over wires I was within a two thousandth's of my target - so for me - that's plenty good enough.

    Mom never said it was gonna be easy to be this cheap!
     

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  2. Littleman
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    Looks good to me !..........If you want to stop by tomorrow to look at that chunk, I will be home all day, Stan will be bringing over the BSA Hornet about mid morning.................Long live the Bridgeport...............Dave Littleman Lohr
     
  3. HemiRambler
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    I just might stop over !!!

    Bridgeport = Happiness
     
  4. 2manybillz
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    That's great - like I said on part one I thought it could be done without messing with the heat treat.
     
  5. buffaloracer
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    from kansas

    Looks great. Which head do you have on the Bridgeport?
    Pete
     
  6. scarliner
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    Looks like to me you did a fine job. Your set up and the finished product is proof. There is a whole lot of stuff in this world, that isnt within .002!
    Good work!
     
  7. squirrel
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  8. tysond
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    Nice work man. But one thing, that looks like a coated HSS cutter to me, not a solid carbide one (I could be wrong), but if it is a carbide cutter you shouldn't run coolant unless you can flood the cutter at all times. Carbide doesn't like the heating and cooling and will wear out faster with intermittent coolant. I had to do a spline at work with out the correct cutter, and I sharpened up some HSS to 60 degrees and made a bar to hold it, it worked great.
     
  9. HemiRambler
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    2manybillz - you were absolutely right!

    buffaloracer - It's the Variable Speed head -2J

    tysond - Nope! It's definitely a solid carbide cutter - Not sure which but I think it's either TiN or TiCN coated. Prior to making any cuts on the real shaft - I made some test cuts on a junk shaft - it pretty much laughed at the HSS endmills I had - I did have the right double angle HSS cutter and ruled out using it because the HSS endmill held up so poorly on one test spline. The carbide insert cutters I had worked pretty darned good but all my inserts had too large a nose radius which is why I ended up using the endmill. I'm gonna keep an eye out for the right cutter at the machinery surplus places.
     
  10. fordcragar
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    Jacin,

    Very nice!!

    Larry
     
  11. Impressive....very impressive!
    Looks like your ways are in beautiful shape on the Bridgeport!!!!!
     
  12. DocsMachine
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    from Alaska

    -***anium Nitride (TiN) is gold-colored, while ***anium Carbide (TiCN) is a darkish grey. Either way the coating is basically just a surface lubricity treatment- yes, it's very hard, but it's also only microns thick. The strength to resist the forces of cutting the hardened steel comes from the micrograin carbide of the mill itself.

    For 90% of us home-shop guys, the TiN or any other coating is just a sales ploy to get us to pay a few bucks more per drill bit, end mill or saw blade.

    Doc.
     
  13. HemiRambler
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    Thanks for the info Doc! I sifted through my stash of end mills and remember seeing those two references - but admit until now I didn't know the difference. That would make the one I used a TiN coated Carbide Endmill.
    AS far as paying MORE for coated endmills - that ***UMES I paid for these;)

    Actually a bud of mine donated a handfull of carbide endmills - I try to save them for special jobs like this.



     
  14. HemiRambler
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    Thanks Curly.

    The ways are pretty decent on my Bridgeport - God Bless Tibon. (Tibon Chrome Ways)




     
  15. DocsMachine
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    from Alaska

    -Actually, I put that part in as a jab to those rodders that, when faced with some tough drilling job (opening up an indexing hole in a leaf spring, drilling hardened bolts for safety wires, etc.) will buy whatever Home Depot has, that has the words "***anium" or "heavy duty" or other buzzwords on the bubble-pack. :D

    Fact of the matter is, most of the "***anium" tools you buy these days (unless you're buying specialty cutters from a machinist outfit) are just standard HSS (high speed steel) with literally less than .00005" ***anium nitride vapor-deposited on it.

    With the right bit- I have a drawerful- I can drill through a file or turn the shank of an endmill down in the lathe. No matter how hard a part or tool is, there's always something harder, so it's just a matter of picking the correct tool for the job.

    Your axle was tough, but not that tough. Probably only the high 30s or low 40's Rockwell C. A micrograin carbide endmill will be in the high fifties. No sweat, really.

    Oh, and I thought the flange-end stand/holder was clever. Kudos. :)

    Doc.
     
  16. diggers4life
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    Actually, most carbide is in the 75-90 Rc range. Softer grades are used for interupted cutting (milling applications) harder grades for noninterupted turning applications. TiN (***anium nitride) and TiCN (***anium carbonitride) can both be yellow in color. It depends on who did the coating.

    BTW excellent job on the splines, they look great!
     

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