Banger Guys...Im Helping Out a buddy and....

Im helping out a buddy of mine who is sorting out his fathers collection of Early Hot Rod parts.

Hid Dad was big into Bangers. Model A and Model T cars and trucks. So you could imagine some of the things that I have been finding.

(3) Rajo overhead valve setups, (1) Frontenac setup....complete, rebuilt and begging to be run again. An early (not sure on the name) Model T overhead valve head setup that is made with all ball bearing moving parts. Impressive it is. Boxes of carbs; Windfields, 97's, 81's, 94's, and Solex's. Crates of Wico Mags, Original Winfield heads, Edmunds Lincoln V-8 heads, flatty parts, columbia rear ends, a dual sided Crescent Wrench, and an original Thomas Intake w/ Dual 97's...on and on and on. As dirty as the job is, it doesnt even phase me to be in the midst of all the "history", rare parts and cool stories.

I also found a Model T motor w/ (2) transmission attached to each other....not sure what its out of...anyone???

Here are a few pictures of what im helping him with, Ill post more for you all to enjoy as I keep going.

As I never expect anything, and am always glad to help, it was to my suprise when my buddy came out and gave me this cool (I think)Model A crank, already counterweighted. WOW how cool is that!

 

Double transmission may have been tractor one

 

The double trans set up is an A motor and like Phil said most likely out of a home made tractor. 3rd picture down has a Rajo exhaust manifold (the one with all the fins on it), T crank, and an early A crank called a diamond or bever tail because of the shape of the webs. They are about 7 pounds lighter than the later A's and we like them for our A crank in a T block conversion (maybe that one is already done). The crank in the pix by itself is a BB with pressed on and pinned counter weights- out of a truck, smooth running, can't grind the rod journals, and they may come apart at high rpm or so the old wifes tale goes.

 

No way....what a treasure trove. What's your buddy gonna do with it all? Sell it? I may be interested in a pair of 81's if he is.....

 

Just incredible - Yeah, I'm a banger guy and I'm salivating. Keep us informed of what is going to happen to this stuff.

You should PM Brent-in-10-uh-C. He knows a lot and can give you fair values for items.

 

WOW!

That's the mother load. Put me down for a couple of those Winfields.

 

Back in the 50's we used A motors with double trans set-up, and sometimes triple trans, in Florida as huinting buggies for the swamps. Mounted high on platform with tall tactor tires. Wouldn't get you anywhere in a hurry but like near impossible to get stuck. These were what bred the sport of swap buggy racing today.

 

That is just one of the coolest finds in quite some time. I"ll bet you guys have had a blast looking through everything!

Is you buddy going to keep the stuff, sell some of it . . . would be nice to see it put to use once again.

I'm looking for one good Stromberg 81 core -- so I can finish a setup this winter. PM me if he is going to sell any of them.

I hope these parts go to somebody who is a banger fanatic . . . and that engines get built and ran from it. Hate to see it stay in cans and boxes forever . . . as rust and corrosion take their just payment

 

Wow, I had to go dry my eyes before I posted anything.
What a collection.

The over head set up with the ball bearings is a Hal 'AKRON-HED' built by the famous Hal Hosterman. He also made a single stick head a**** many other things. Here's a picture of one from the Smith collection.

As soon as word of your friends dad's p***ing leaks out to the T and A clubs, be prepared. Do a little snooping around for prices, it's worth much more now than you'd think.

 

After we were done, my buddy and I were talking about his plans for some of the stuff.

He isnt concerned about making millions on the stuff. Sure he wants to "Cash out" fairly, but he also know's he may never get to all of it. He regrets not hanging out w/ his dad to learn as much as he could have. Bottom line, he's going to put these aside and pick and choose what he's going to move.

Im really excited for him and for what he has. It's amazing what we are finding everytime we turn over a box. The history behind the parts, the old pictures (Ill get some closeups of them) and the chance to hold the parts we talk about on these forums is cool enough.

To go back a little about the crank, there is no chance of cleaning it up?

 

Not sure what you mean about "cleaning up the crank"? If you are talking about the BB- just remove the oversize counter weigths do your thing and add some aftermarket weights back on. They used to make a rod journal grinding machine that would clamp on and clean up the journals- haven't seen one in years. Ask around! Be careful on mixing up parts- a lot of this stuff is one of a kind and hard to find complete ***emblies. Get an expert in to help you. By the way, that Rajo exhaust manifold if it is not cracked should go for around $450!

 

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This one is a puzzler...

If you look closely, it appears that the transmissions are mounted back-to-back. By that I mean the back end of one is connected to the back end of the other one. I don't see how there would be any gear reduction whatsoever in this like most tractors need.

In other words if you put both transmissions in 2nd gear, you would have the output speed the same as the engine. If you put both of them in 1st gear you would have the same thing happen. The only thing that could happen is if the put the one connected to then engine in 3rd gear, and the one in the back, with stock Model A 2nd gear (1.9:1) you would effectively speed up the gear on on the end to 3800 RPM if the engine was turning 2000 RPM, --and if you were brave enough to put the back transmission in 1st gear (3:1), that 2000 RPM would go to 6000 RPM!! That chain oughtta get somebody's attention!!

 

there is a guy running around socal w/ a rough lookin A modified that is running back to back model A ******'s. goes pretty darn good too!

great collection of parts...is this going to be a HAMB parts sale, or an ebay prep?

 

Back-to-Back like in the picture, ---or Back-to-Front?? If it is like in the picture above, I don't see the "value". What am I missing??

 

holy **** man..... def be interested in the stuff when he decides to part with it. maybe as a lot...?

 

Vultures, the lot of you! hahahah. If the stuff sells for the going rate it will be alot and probably out of my league. I call Norm every hour on the hour to stay ahead of the vintagefordspeedeological dig in the making! I love the interest in the bangers on this board. It really adds the the uniqueness of the hamb. You can buy all the 8 cylinder 50's car info you can stomach but the banger speed stuff and info is always fresh and interesting. Thanks for the pics Norm and keep em coming.

 

There will be some of the stuff posted for sale in the "For Sale" Section.

Not sure what, but the HAMB will get first Dibs.

I get the honors of listing and "controlling" it all for him.

Like I said, millions NO!, but fair yes. AS a LOT...probably not. Sorry.

I just got word today he might let a Rajo set or two go from his collection. Ill keep you guys posted.

BTW: he has a 41 Ford pickup w/ most parts that will be going up for sale too. Its straight and an awesome start.

Man...I got to take more pictures.

Anyone know anything about Rexcell (?) driveshafts?

 

Any possibility we are speaking of a Ruxtel axle for a Model T? Again, ...pictures would be helpful.

 

The 2 speed Ruckstell rear ends are a great option, and it was the only after market item that Henry Ford approved of, but very good modern ones are being made, and have been for a long time, by Glen Chaffin out in Corona.

Your buddy have any 4 valve Rajos? My grandpa bought one new in '23 and installed it on his brand new roadster. Said it'd run about 65 with that head, which was flyin for a T, but then in '28 a stock A would smoke him, so he bought one of those. I still have his llittle paynent book and the original reciept for the A, but I've always wanted one of the 4 valves. It's an F head, not as racey as the Rajo 8 valve, but pretty cool.

 

I've seen that done as a way to get a cheap overdrive

 

Theres a book called American hot rod thats about '30's and '40's dry lake and street racing. In there it talks about a T with a second trans hooked up backwards, for lots of overdrive. Thats an old, old hot rodding trick.

 

While that is probably true about a car on the lakebeds, that combination in the above picture would be a 90% overdrive!! There isn't many engines around that could pull that kind of gear ratio --epsecially a stock banger.

Plus, --if you look closely you will see a gear attached to the end of the final transmission. My gut feeling is that was used to power a winch that was used in mines. Probably to pull mining cars out of the ground. Something where a Model A engine could be idled down to save gas, ...and with the 1st transmission in low (and the 2nd trans is high --or straight through) that would have had plenty of power to pul the car out. Then to let the cars back down the shafts in a hurry, they could put the 1st trans in high and the 2nd trans in second gear which would have let the cable out one-and-a-half times faster than direct speed.

Just a guess though......

 

Let me try to get closer picts of the unit

 

Great find. Too bad someone had to p*** away for the stuff to see the light of day again.
I need 2 winfield carbs size D if ya got em. Good luck with everything.





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Okay, I took more pictures tonight.

We decided to move more things around and underneath were (3) more overhead setups.

Another Tilleson (?) setup, a 4 valve Riley and another Frontenac setup.

Included were some cool finned oil pans? 3-4 of them.

Boxes of NOS "T" and "A" pistons and rods.

Stand By, more to come?

 

Check out the rear ends. Ruckstells maybe? and some 2-speed driveshafts.

I stepped outside and tripped on this rear on a cart...A columbia!

 

Wanna see some bikes?

Vintage Indians? and Triumphs.

 

chopped50ford,
that looks like endlest pit of cool old hotrod parts.
Al.

***red ram 6x2 intake wanted***

 

40 and 41 Pickups. both are really straight. The 41 (green) will go up for sale eventually.

 

1/4 Midgets and Karts?