can someone tell me if this will work w/a 302

i've e-mailed the guy for casting numbers but he said he couldn't find them and he also said he didn't know what size of motor it was originally hooked up too....will this work for a 302...i know jack about motors and what will work so any help would be appreciated

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thanks guys
bob

 

Man, what a price! but I don't think the C-6 will bolt to the 302.I always thought the C-4 was the one to fit. If I'm wrong I"m sure someone will let ya know.

 

I had a c6 on a 351 windsor, which would be the same bellhousing for a 302, You have to find out if this is for a sbf or a bigger engine. Have them measure the distance between bell housing bolts and compare.

 

that kinda looks like a big block bell to me so i dont think it will. c6 really isnt the way to go, they rob about 50 horse just to run em and theyre a hell of alot bigger physically. i dont kno what this setup is for but for a rod or somehting it might be too big. id have to say c4 or aod if you want overdrive.

 

its for a 62' mercury monterey...so basically a boat

 

Did old ford van's ever come with big blocks? I would think not since a van doesn't have that much room. And as long as it wasn't behind a 351C or 351M it will fit. The 289, 300 and 351W all had the same bolt pattern.

On a side note check out c4's. I recently found a rebuilt C4 with 50,000 miles on it with a torque converter on craigslist for $150.

 

yeah i've been looking for c4's, since i know they'll fit for sure, but in this area you have to drive at least two and half hours for anything decent...and i was hoping at that price i could save a little with gas and the price of the trans combined

 

any junk yards close to you? That way you know for sure what motor it was bolted to

 

its for a sbf 302/351.the vans did come with 460s as I had one. the best bet would be a c-4 for lighter cars. if you do pulling and heavy hauling the c-6 is good.

 

I had a C-4 with 150,000 plus miles on it, leaked like hell, still had a very positive shift. Ask your local Tranny Mechanic which transmission, he would recommend. I'll bet he will tell you take the C-4. Anyway I'm fairly certain that the C-6 won't mate to the 302.
Here is a story, believe it or not. My father was a ford mechanic in the middle 60's, He told me that when the mustangs came out the sales rep. came around to sell the dealership on them. One of there gimics were to slam the automatic transmissioned mustangs in reverse as they were going 55-60 down the highway. Well 15 plus years later this mechanics kid (ME) owned a 68 mustang. GUESS what, The old man didn't lie to his kid. Slam that sonofabitch in reverse mash the throttle and start taking out mail boxes at 55mph
forward as the back wheels are going backwards, all over the road till i kicked it in neutral. Ha! I remember that like it was yesterday. I was invincable at 16. thanks for the memory. Shit I hope my boy or daughter never trys anything stupid like that.

 

i can't tell from the crappy pictures but i think thats a sbf bolt pattern ask him for dimensions then check the dimensions of the bolt pattern on your block. Personally i'd still go with a c4 thats what i've used in the past and has always held up well

 

It looks like the small bolt pattern, but it's hard for me to be sure without seeing it in proportion with something else. I have a BB C6 and it is "taller" between the top 2 bolt holes and the next ones down. The big bell is TALL. It's also WAY shorter than the one I have, IIRC its outta a Lincoln somethin' or other. What year 302 do you have? There were 2 different small block flex plates. I THINK that all lo-po 302's and all 351Ws used the 28oz balance, whereas the newer 302HO used the 50oz. Also, the early small blocks used a 157 tooth flexplate/starter/bellhousing. That C6 will be a 164 tooth, that was used on later small blocks, Clevelands, et al. If you have a 157 tooth flexplate, you'll have to swap it out (I got one I figure will never see usage again, where are you at?) for the 164 to mate 'em up. You'd need a 164-tooth compatible starter, too.

 

those are the reasons i dont understand motor shit...location is montpelier ohio 43543

 

Yeah, and the best thing about Fords is any time you buy something based on production year alone, you end up with one of the "exceptions" where they switched in a model year, or used up left over stuff, or just felt like making everyone's parts-buying a living hell. They switched to the 164 tooth flexplate sometime in the early 70's if I remember right. If you end up gettin' the tranny and have the early flexplate, you can have my 164 toother and I THINK I have a matching starter (it worked, but it ain't a spring chicken) too, for the cost of the shipping. Damn flexplate's hanging on the wall from an engine I switched to a stick a few years ago, I knocked the son of a bitch off and it landed on some of my freshly stripped A sheetmetal a couple weeks ago ...

 

At first glance, it look to me that it will fit. But I've been proven wrong before.

 

Hell, I just was thinkin' about it and I got the tranny that I pulled that matched all that shit just taking up space in my garage. It's an FMX (derived from the Cruise-O-Matic), mild converter and a bad-ass shift kit. Good shape, I had it rebuilt about a year or 2 before I yanked it. If you feel like drivin' a bit I'd let you have it, maybe for a trade or something (nothin' much, I don't need it).

 

Yes it fits. All 350 vans had a C6, even with six cylinders, and they will fit a 302 also.

 

I'd take an FMX over a C6 anyday. Go get it.

 

Measure the distance between the top two bellhousin bolts - 5 & a bit is small block, 7 and a bit is 351M/400/429/460.

Yes, C6 was made for smallblocks & vans are great places to find 'em.

Big & heavy, but near bulletproof for a small block...

 

Flat Ernie is right,jsut ask the guy to measure the top bolt holes. Its just over 5 inches fro teh small block, and just over 7 with the big block. C4 is deffinately a hell of a way to go, but a C6 is heavy duty as mentioned before. Your local Trans supply shop can sell you rebuild books, kits, and give you lots of help if you plan on rebuilding it yourself. The most expensive parts are going to be the special tools, but E-Gay usually has them pretty cheap.

 

special tools? should i say screw it on this one and just continue looking for a c4

 

i e-mailed the guy and asked him if he would measure the top bolts so we'll see what the distance is

 

the two bolt wholes on the bottom of the bell are what are throwin me off. my small block c6 thats sittin in my garage only has the 6 like it should. whatever, when he emails you back thatll tell ya.

 

NO- That trans is for a 400M, 351M, 429 or 460 engine. The giveaway is the year of the vehicle it came from and the two top bolts are way higher than the rest of the pattern. MIZ

 

Looks like the C6 behind the 460 in my F100 but for $30 bucks I'd buy it just to have as barter material for the one you may really need.

 

yeah thats good thinking i never thought of doing that...there is a tranny in west virginia that would work but shipping would kill me, think we could get a relay going

 

I'd drive to WV to get one with a history before I'd drive to Grand Rapids for it. Let me talk to my brother, he's a Ford racer. You should check out Toledo or Fort Wayne, there really IS stuff out there. The C4 is like a TH350 for GM, friggin everywhere! There is probably a C4 in my dad's barn that my brother left 10 years ago when he got married.

Go for craigslist, they are on there!

 

Okay guys.

1. Leave that trans alone it is wrong for you. a 1980 and unknown!

2. C6 was used behind small blocks in vans, rancheros and station wagons, big Torinos, the good ones were 1969 to 1977. You will have a strong trans but NO power unless you build the crap out you engine. I had nearly a 1 second decreace in my street / weekend racer going from a C4 to C6 behind a very healthy 351 C.

You may not be in it for that but why engineer power loss into your project?

A C4 would be great to find but, the C4 has a weak input shaft that will snap from 350 HP up! (ask me how I know that!)

FMX is a good trans thay can handle moderate power but not high RPM (6800 plus).



IMO I would be heading to WV to pick up the FMX.


Good luck with your build

Dave

 

yeah that one in west virginia would be awesome except its in west virginia...like seven hours away, if we could somehow get it closer to here...any help guys?

 

Never Die,

I've got a guy headed to WV for work today. PM me and let me know if you are anywhere near Toyota in Buffalo WV and he can pick it up for Bob.