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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by chevy400ci, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. chevy400ci
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    ive got a pair of freshly rebuilt 202 heads, they came off of a 1967 camaro 327ci i think(they have no holes for brackets). im thinking of selling them and want to know how much you guys think there worth. thanks guys.
     
  2. Fat Hack
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    Back in the late 60s/early 70s you mighta been able to get a premium for 'em...but nowadays there's excellent new castings available cheap from the aftermarket for small block Chevys, and plenty of used examples of those same aftermarket heads out there on e-bay and at swap meets and stuff.

    Probably the only people that'd give ya much for yours would be musclecar resto guys looking for that speciifc casting number and date code for their project. Otherwise, they're just decent castings for a small block Chevy. Decent heads for a street performance motor, to be sure...but not compatible with unleaded fuel unless you put hardened seats in them, and by that point, a guy coulda just bought some good aftermarket heads. $100 would be about all I'd expect a non-resto guy to pay for 'em.
     
  3. Fat Hack
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    Oops..."freshly rebuilt"...I missed that!

    In that case, they're worth a couple bills most likely, maybe more if they had hardened seats installed so you could run 'em on today's fuels without lead additives.
     
  4. john56h
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    If they are fresh, still in the bags from the machine shop, I'd say between $250 and $350 would be what you could reasonably expect to get for them.
     
  5. buzzard
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    I see 'em go for $350-500 at swap meets down here, depending on the casting #'s. Guess I need to go to Hack's neighborhood and buy some up and bring 'em down here to sell 'em.
     
  6. Fat Hack
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    Ha Ha...well this IS Detroit, Man!! All you gotta do is kick a tree and small block Chevy parts fall on your head! :p :D
     
  7. buzzard
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    Sounds relatively dangerous.
     
  8. Lotek_Racing
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    Thanks to Vortec heads performaing as well as they do nobody wants to pay for stock hi-po heads in my neck of the woods anymore.

    Try the guys over at www.nastyz28.com

    You'll probably find guys who want "numbers" parts and will pay what you want for them.

    Shawn
     
  9. Fat Hack
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    Well...yeah...DETROIT and all!!! :D
     
  10. chevy400ci
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    thanks for the answers guys, very helpful.
     
  11. 333 Half Evil
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    Did you have the 2.02 valves put in them or are they origional 2.02 castings? Do they have screw-in studs and guide plates? Post casting numbers and we can give you a much better idea. If they truley are factory 2.02 casting they are worth a lot more than anyone here suggests. Post the casting numbers and we can be sure.....
     
  12. fab32
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    No 2.02 heads were available on a 327 installed in a Camaro in 1967. The tech Guru just got blown out of the water.


    Frank
     
  13. buzzard
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    Sweet. I have a pair of 186's with pinned studs. How much more than $500 will you give me?:D
     
  14. chevy400ci
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    on one head the Numbers are= 3917291the otheris= 389046.are those the #'s you need?
     
  15. buzzard
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    3917291....67-68...302/327/350..Camel hump,no accessory holes,64cc chamber

    3890462....66-67...302/327/350..Camel hump,no accessory holes,64cc chamber

    You can look up #'s at http://www.mortec.com/castnum.htm

    291's are supposed to be good heads. Don't know about the 462's. I would think that them not being the same casting number would seriously hurt their value.
     
  16. chevy400ci
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    thanks for the info, so ive got a set of mismatched heads. ugh, oh well i didn't give much for them
     
  17. buzzard
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    Doesn't mean that they wouldn't run good. Just not worth as much.
     
  18. chevy400ci
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    ya i thought about drilling the steam ports and putting them on my 400sb. just not to sure if i want to yet.
     
  19. wishbone
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    They are both good performance heads. Those two heads are almost identical. The ports and chambers are virtually the same, which is what really matters, from a performance standpoint. The biggest drawback is the lack of accessory bolt holes. They'd be worth an easy $200 to a hot rodder and even more to a restorer looking for specific date codes. The hard part is finding that particular restorer... Good luck....
     
  20. HEATHEN
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    For all practical purposes, 291s and 462s are the same head, while 461s had a slightly different combustion chamber shape. After all that, you still won't get big money for them because everyone will balk at the casting number difference. For the record, no '67 small block head had screw in studs/guide plates from the factory, even the ones with 2.02/1.60 valves. Chevy started that in '70, and many of the older heads were converted after the fact--I've done quite a few myself.
     
  21. bobw
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    I use 'camel hump' heads regularily because I want the heads to be from the time frame as the rest of the parts on my hot rods, 1960's. I don't want accessory holes which would signify a newer head. Generally I have $400-$500 in a set of fresh heads. That means paying for nostalgia instead of performance as $600 after market heads would work much better. So, in my estimation, the heads are worth $400-$500 if they are done right.
     
  22. 5wbomber
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    I just paid $900 for two with valves,springs, and hardened seats.... I am definetly pleased!
     
  23. 333 Half Evil
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    I'm not sure if you are commenting about my post, but if you were I was not concerened about his statement of year as some people bgo only by casting number and they do not know how to read date codes. Some heads have the same last 3 digits and fit many different years so if he was only going by casting number he might not know for sure what he has. That is why I asked about the screw-in studs and guide plates, because there was no factory 2.02 heads produced without them. I have had many guys try and sell me "factory 2.02" heads that were actually just 1.94 castings that someone had ground seats and installed 2.02 valves. This is fine, but negates the value of the head in comparison to the true factory 2.02 heads.
     
  24. 333 Half Evil
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    yes they are, and others have already told you what they are. I will add that these castings came from the factory with 1.94 valves not 2.02.
     
  25. BigChief
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    We've been getting 650-700 for early SBC heads all done.

    BUT "All done" at our shop means nice castings that have been baked and blasted, magnufluxed and cc'd. They get 16 guides (as needed) and are machined for and include guide plates and ARP screw in studs. Guides are machined for PC type seals. Either a 3 or 5 angle valve job is done with minor blending under seat, your choice of 1.94 or 2.02 intakes and stainless valves on both sides. Valve seat location and spring pockets are machined/adjusted for proper spring type, size, installed height and pressure as required by cam manufacturer. The decks are machined only a minimum amount to true up any warpage and clean up any pitting - unless the customer requests specific chamber volumes. A chamber from each head is CC'd and the heads are decked as required to match chamber volume for the pair. They are a VERY nice set of heads when they leave. Which is great for the resto/vintage guys but if you want to make more power then you can't beat modern head technology for almost the same price.

    Bigchief.
     
  26. budd
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    so heres what i have for info on your heads, as i`m reading from my chevrolet small-block V8 interchange manual by David Lewis, 462 heads came both ways 194 and 202 only on 327`s from 62-68, 291 heads only had 194 valves and came on 327`s and 350s from 67 to 68, 186s came only as 202 and had no screw in studs. the book could be wrong though.
     
  27. buzzard
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    I don't really want to get in a big arguement over this, but I don't think that statement is accurate. I never run across anyone claim that their "double humps" had screw in studs and guide plates from the factory.

    And I just can't believe that of all the "double hump" heads I've seen had bigger valves added. That's including some really crusty ones that I'm confident were untouched.

    I just wanted to state that so nobody goes away thinking it's a for sure, 100% fact, and start quoting it.
     
  28. Hot Rod Dan
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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    I believe if you see a pair of double hump heads with 2.02 intakes and the combustion chamber is not machined around the intake to un-schroud it, it's not a factory 2.02 head. Now if it's machined that doesn't mean it is a factory 2.02 head, cause I guess a machine shop could open up the chamber. But I don't think the factory installed 2.02's without machining the chamber to help them breath a little better.

    Whenever I see stock chambers with 2.02 valve, I always figure the seats were too worn for 1.94's and they put 2.02's in or they want to find a sucker an sell them "factory 2.02 heads."
     
  29. budd
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    you bet. i have 2, 462 heads one is unshrouded and has 202 valves. the other has not been unshrouded and has 194 valves.
     

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