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WTF? 4 Barrel Stromberg 97?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by flatheadhero, Feb 14, 2007.

  1. flatheadhero
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  2. I've never seen that, but I'll ask my ol' skool racin' friend about. They always modified their own stuff, back in the day. That's very interesting, though.
     
  3. Squablow
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    That's cool as hell, surprisingly looks very well built too. I wonder what the advantages were over just running two carbs. What intake did this thing fit on?

    Would be awesome set up funcitonal on a car, very eye-catching.
     
  4. pan-dragger
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    thats pretty cool
     
  5. Kevin Lee
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    Tom Cobb mated two 97's together but those were side-by-side with only the bases joined (brazed together)... then the throttle shaft was replaced with a single long piece of drill rod. All of this to get the carbs as close as possible with his 4x2 setup to feed a 4-71 (or was it 3-71?) blown flathead.

    But that ebay piece... look at that huge gap? Basically looks like two nice carbs turned to complete junk. All but says it doesn't work right in the auction discription. And not that I've seen it all, not even close, but I sure don't remember anything like that from old photos or writings.

    So I say odd and interesting... but junk.
     
  6. Degreaser
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    The reserve wasn't met, I am going to watch to see if it gets listed again with a lower reserve. I wouldn't pay much for it but would like to have it to screw with my buddies.
     
  7. haring
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    The one shown looks like it would leak like hell.
     
  8. Yo Baby
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    Looks like a pretty groovy idea.
    You can see daylight between the 2 throttle bodies in the one pic.
    As for a lower reserve, judging by the reserves on the other stuff he sells,I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a lower one.He's pretty proud of his stuff.
     
  9. 50Fraud
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    I think I recall Navarro doing this on his blown flathead. Like Cobbs, he was fitting 4 Strombergs on top of a 3-71 (!), but he made two of these siamesed jobs with the float bowls on the outside.
     
  10. beach-boy60
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    maybe i'm crazy,but do we have two throttle linkages tothis carb? its a dual feed too. who built the intake for this setup? i think someone wants to see how gullable we are.
     
  11. Bruce Lancaster
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    Looks a touch inadequately thought through--someone just milled the backs off of two carbs and then couldn't think of a good way to join them. Maybe all his JB Weld went bad in the tube...
     
  12. touchdowntodd
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    i saw a setup in an ealry 60s lil book where the guy ran 2 of those setups, but as mentioned before, they were LOTS tighter, and i doubt this would work well

    i always wanted to do some 94s like this... maybe one day soon..
     
  13. Flathead Youngin'
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    more than one way to skin a cat.....

    we say they are ruined and that's certainly true but to those back then, they had a problem and made an attempt to solve it.....pretty cool......some of the things grandpa says he tried to go faster were......funny, scary, dangerous and some so simple they are perfect.....

    anyone got a 35 coupe that was rolled over on a dirt track that i can cut the top off of and make a roadster out of it.....
     
  14. GMC BUBBA
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    Once a year there is a well known Hill Climb where lots of 100% stock flatheads show up to race the hill. Most are more than fast and some are just plain cheating!
    I fixed a fuel leak on this one for a one of the cars and when i took the carb off this is what i found.
    Seems as if most of the fast guys are running this guys carb.

    Flows tons of air with stock intake???

    [​IMG]


    Lots of work done here ??? Idle p***ages was brazed closed etc. Big jet change. Wonder if the Toyota Nascar team knows about this one ???:) :) :)
     
  15. Sixcarb
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    I like it...........I'm just pissed off that I just threw out my figure 8 shaped air cleaner base.
     
  16. banjorear
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    I have to agree that it looks like pure B.S. to me or a H.S. auto shop project gone bad.

    Talk about a linkage headache for they would need to either have two linakges going to either side or one that pushes each of the plates in oppossing directions.

    I thought the Offy 2bbl. to 4 bbl. adaptors were the solution to this "problem"
     
  17. flatheadpete
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    Some pretty cool stuff in his 'Bay store.
     
  18. banjorear
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    Now THAT is pretty sneeky sis.....
     
  19. rdachsdog
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    Think I saw this at Hershey or Carlisle last year. Actually saw another one similar to this a couple years ago, the old timer that had it said it was used in a sprint car I think. It would start on one side with gas and switch over to the other one and run on alcohol. Wish I took pictures of it.
     
  20. arkracing
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    Would doing this actually improve the air flow of the carb?

    Kinda reminds me of the Holley 3bbl Carbs
     
  21. GMC BUBBA
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    Sure, it would more than double the cfm from the bottom end. The insides had been worked on as well. Once off idle it got up the hill pretty good. Also the fuel i spilled while fixing the leak eat my shop rag up.
    Another bad sign ???

    Smokey once said a "little skinny rulebook" made life easier for all to cheat! If it aint in the book then its ok to do.:D
     
  22. KIRK!
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    Exactly, it would not work because the carb ****erflys open in opposite rotational directions. J U N K!

    That said, I'd still like to have it for it's sideshow appeal. Maybe put it in a jar of formaldahyde like a "pickled punk" pair of Siamese twin fetuses.
     
  23. pacman
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    i think that paired up stromberg 4bbl carb-thing is amazing. yeah, the one pictured may not be perfect, but i think the idea is cooler than the cat's pajamas. just mill it carefully, take your time and have a nice pile of donor carbs. and theres a number of ways linkages could be hooked up, just use your imagination. yeah its different, yes its homemade, no u cant buy it out of a catalog, yeah it prbly could work, and yes its prbly not that safe and thats why i love it. i have found something to occupy my down time. thanks!
    PaX
     
  24. Kevin Lee
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    The Pickled Punk is by far the best use. Nice.
     
  25. Thriftmaster
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    I have a friend who used to run cars with his dad at a couple of race tracks in Texas back in the 1950s and I sent him a pic of the carbs on this post. This is what he replied back with.

    In the early fifties the track outlawed multi carbs and my dad welded either two 97s or 48s back to back. 4 barrels were allowed and we ran alky in our cars. There was a stink with some of the other owners and eventually they allowed multi cars and aluminum heads. We then ran 3 two with alky and sometimes a little nitro. Before multi carbs we did experiment with gas and alky blends.

    I think for the most part this was done as the 4 barrels were costly and you could get similar results with modifying the 97s for a lot less monies and it was track legal.
     
  26. punkrockpatrick
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    and that is exactly whats wrong with NASCAR today no more balls and no more guys like Smokey Yunick
     
  27. I think I know what that carb came off of... I was at a guy's place who owned a very historic hot rod... and he had that carb and another one like it. he said "they came off the _________".

    I'll check with him and get back to you.

    Sam.
     
  28. I have a 2G Rochester that someone brazed up the base and re-drilled to a 3 bolt pattern.
     
  29. scottybaccus
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  30. KIRK!
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    True, but I don't want the job of figuring out the linkage to make that happen on this creation. I'm sure it could be done.
     

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