Ebay link (don't shoot me)... what kinda V8 is in this thing, and are they worth a ****? O/T year truck, I know... I'm looking for a binder, pusher, beater at the moment. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...;3AMEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=200083483440&rd=1,1
That engine is a very odd one. It is actually an international engine, and they are a pain to get parts for. I had a cousin who had one and totaled the vehicle because the water pump failed. The water pump cost over 80 dollars, and they don't have a core charge, because noone builds them. The engine was impossible to tune (not really, but aggravating), heavy, and didn't make much power. An all around pain. Someone somewhere may have a good example of the engine, but it would cost a lot and you don't exactly see that many of them in the boneyard.
Bigger trucks ran a 392 ci V8, not sure on the Pickups of that year. Had a '68 with a 401 which would Haul ***! Probably not much help but looks like a buy if it stays anywhere around that price.
International's had their own motors. As far as I know, they don't interchange with anything else. To me, they look kind of like a Chrysler poly motor. I've wondered if there were any speed parts for them. I'm sure someone has probably hot rodded one of those engines, but I've never seen it. How hard is it to get parts for these engines? I would think parts should be plentiful given the popularity of IH school buses you used to see.
For some reason that page won't load for me. If it's an off topic year, I'm guessing it's either the IHC 304 or 345. Stout, heavy motors built like diesels. Tune up parts are still readily available. Low reving motors with tons of grunt. Binderbulletin.com (or something like that. Google Binder Bulletin) is a great source for IH junk.
the 345 is a good motor, I've had a few. There are some speed parts for them, check some of the scout boards. I never had problems getting parts, theres enough scouts around, and some of the parts fit other stuff.
These trucks are true work horses. They look lame and some of the ways they did things seem backwards, but they are idestructable. I had a crew cab and we could not destroy it, sold it to a friend who hauled concrete block in it and he couldn't kill it. Motors were 304, 345, 392 and there was a special motor called a 392 supercool that could not be overheated. The reason most people can't tune them is you set the timing off #8 cyl, not #1 like most V-8's. Good luck, you will love it.
The other website is oldihc.org. Have you ever rode a school bus? That ought to tell you something about the ol' binders torque, perfect for a push truck. As for parts my local napa has a good supply of IH stuff. One thing I like about my ol' binder is I never pull up to another one. Pool.
They used to say in their advertising they were a 200,000 mile engine and in my experience it's true, but they probably weigh 700 lbs. All overhaul parts are available.
Id it's a 304, or 401, it's an AMC motor. Otherwise it's an Intenational motor. A Ford or GM V8 fits in with very little work.
Those old Binder motors are pretty stout. The only problem is that they don't want to turn much over 3500 rpm. I don't know if they make an aftermarket intake, but they could use one!
I don' t think they were using the 401 in 67. Should remember because I worked in the Engineering Dept in Fort Wayne for 9 years.
Another International advertising was "We took truck parts and made pickups", had a '67 added dual exhaust and larger Holley two barrel and never any problems with it. Probably one of my best vehicles.
Just sold a 73 with 345. What a torquey motor, I think it would climb walls if you could get enough bite. Never had too much trouble finding parts (real part houses, not Auto-Zone) but they are expensive. $800 for a clutch pack from NAPA, ouch! Pretty tough on the gas pump too if that matters.
Chances are that it is a 266 or possibly a 304. The 304, as used in IHs, is an IH engine. In '74-'75 they did source a AMC 401 for some Travelalls, & other years did sometimes use AMC sixes in Scouts & light trucks. They are nearly indestructible, as engines go....and common parts are available through NAPA, etc. Anything else can be gotten from the IH aftermarket vendors, mechanical-wise. Sheetmetal for the pickups is harder to find, but the vendors usually have it. As stated, they are heavy engines, about the same as an early Hemi or Olds, maybe a little more. That family was designed for medium truck use and can often be found in dump trucks & buses. Overkill for a light truck....one of the reasons IH eventually stopped the light truck line. The trucks often have rust issues but are tougher that just about any other light truck, & IH had some neat features long before the Big Three. Actually, aftermarket dual-plane intakes are now available for the IH engines, though not particularly cheap. The biggest factor in them not turning many rpms is the weak stock valvesprings. You can do mild work to the heads, use a better cam profile, one of the stock cast iron Holley pattern intakes & a Holley 750 VS (or 600 VS for a 304), and HEADERS, & they hot-rod like any other engine. There are headers, intakes, MSD & Mallory distributors, Comp & Schneider cams & valve gear, hypereutectic pistons, & so on available for them...not, however, at SBC prices. But, when was it ever cheap for us to build any of the first-gen OHVs like Nailheads, Olds 394s, Y blocks, etc.?? I've always wanted to build an early IH pickup with a 392.
Most likly a SV266 or SV304 being a half ton and late 60's but could even be a SV345, SV392. They are good engines, they last forever 300K is pretty normal with some maintance, They are easy to find parts for if you have a NAPA. The SV series engines where built from the late 1950's till the late 80's early 90's with very few changes. These are truck engines not car engines like a small block chevy, they weigh in the 700LB range.
From my experience in the auto parts business I can tell you that no 2 internationals were built the same. Most of these trucks were built to order so you needed to know everything about the truck, like which brakes, clutch, trans, rear end, front axle it had. If you have all of that information they were not too hard to find parts for otherwise the person at the parts couter ended up asking you ALOT of questions. You will have to go to a "REAL" parts store to get parts. These trucks are almost indestructable. The funny thing about working the parts counter back in they day was that if you were not careful someone would drive up in an IHC truck and you would find that you were the ONLY person on the counter until you were helping the person with the IHC, then magically everyone else in the store would reappear.
Haaahaa... disappearing parts helpers, that's just funny. I always thought it was just me. Thanks alot guys... the price really hasn't moved much, sheetmetal ain't too bad, I'm looking for a good workhorse, but maybe if it would be tough to get a part if I brokedown in the middle of Kansas... I might rethink it. Good buy though if it stays under $500-$600 What do you think the smaller of the V8's gas mileage would be? Approx?
I noticed the reserve hasn't been met. You are both in Kansas, maybe you should just go wave some cash at him.
My 345 Scout gets 11-12, regardless whether it's city, highway, or offroad. A 266 would be better, I'd guess, by a little. My Scout is a '75, & they have various emissions mods that make them both gas eaters AND low-powered slugs. The late '60s trucks I've seen were noticeably better in both departments. Of course, my 5.4 F-150 gets 12-14, at best, ever...so I'm not sure the IH is all that bad.
Probably a 304. I love these engines, indestructible, tough as nails, very advanced for the time. Coolant tubes not hoses from the water pump to the block. Forged crank and rods Gear drive timing Sodium filled exhaust valves Air gap manifold Lifters twice the size of SBC's If it has an automatic it will be a 727TF These things run forever and parts are very available, try your local IHC dealer first. If the guy couldn't find the water pump he's a feeb, the 345 was in production until 1991 and it uses the same pump as a 266, 304 and 392. They went in step vans and smaller trucks until they dropped the SV series engines. The 401 is an AMC motor, IH never made an SV series engine bigger than 392 Shawn
The automatic is probably a Borg-Warner, not a Torqueflite. The TFs came along a tad later, '71 IIRC. Either way parts are still available.
The last 304 i had got 14MPG loaded or unloaded in a 1972 1210 4x4 pickup, the 345 in my scout gets 14-15MPG, t-19 wide, 4.56's 37" tires. If that truck is a Auto it will have a Borg Warner Auto ****** not a TF727 they weren't used by IH till the early 70's. I have owned over 65 IH's over the years and the only thing i have had problems with getting the right part has been ignition parts since IH used 3-5 different Disturbitors in the same year on the same model, but if you know what you got parts are easy to find.
Good luck on your search, Guiseart. I've always loved Internationals ever since my friend's family used to give us all rides to school in an old Scout. I guess it's because they are so different from everything else. When you mention them to people, it's a love/hate relationship. The guys who love them have been tinkering around with them for years and know all their quirks and tendencies. The guys who hate them really don't seem to know much about them. I must admit I've always liked them, but my lack of knowledge of them has kept me from ever owning one. If a guy were to get one to rod or kustomize, are the parts available enough that if you use it to travel to car shows around the country you can fix it? I know finding parts for un-common makes or older models on the road can be tough. Hard On Parts had a nice short bed for sale. It was a great deal with lots done to it and spare parts. He lives in Kansas too. I think it went to a HAMBer. It's the blue one. The yellow primer one was for sale locally, but I chickened out and it sold. The Scout was for sale on Ebay that I liked the looks of. It needed just a little work to be a fun ride. Maybe one day soon I'll finally bite the bullet and get one. E
Those engines are bullit proof. The endurance test was 1500 hrs on the dyno at full load. Try that with something else. Used to walk by the test cells and the exhaust manifolds would be cherry red. They put these in the Loadstars which hauled mobile homes down the road at full bore. They are heavy though. Dressed out they weigh about 800 lbs.
For the most part, IH used commonly available parts from other vendors in the later light trucks, & Scouts, starting in the early '60s, in efforts to keep costs down. Items like steering columns & boxes are usually GM, along with alternators. As mentioned the distributors come from a variety of places; Holley & Prestolite are the most common. Auto transmissions are Borg-Warner, & later the Torqueflite; manuals are generally B-W; t-cases are usually Dana 20s; axles are usually Dana 44s from the late '60s, or Dana 30s in earlier Scouts. It's not precisely accurate to say that IH parts are available at every parts store; often they will have to be ordered in, with a day's wait. Easy to get, though, unless you're stranded. If you do good maintenance on the vehicle, but travel a lot, I'd just carry a spare fuel pump, and ignition points. If it has a distributor with the infamous "gold box", carry a spare, or convert it. I have to say though that my "gold box" is the 1975 original & still works just fine. When they fail it's generally because the ignition was left in the "on" position & the engine wasn't running- they overheat.
Here's one my coworker has. It is a rock-crawling champion from a few years back. The stock 345 was replaced with a 392 out of a bus, which is apparently a common swap. This one also has the TBI injection off a GM van with a 350, so it won't stall out when standing on a bumper. We zebra striped it last summer to give it character.
Was gonna post up on how ****y the gas mileage was on these, but someone beat me to it. Figure 10-12 MPG - even on the small motor. Big motor with a 4bbl was an 8 MPG piece
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