Cob Webbing,how Do I Do It?

Ok For All Of You Old School Painters Out There,i Need Some Help.i've Got A Friend That Wants A Cob Web Paint Job Done In Black Over House Of Kolor Tangerine.how Was This Paint Job Done?so Far From What I Have Heard Was The Paint That Was Going To Be Used As Web Had To Be Thick Or Unreduced.what Type Of Gun Was Used ,air Pressure,fan Control And Technique?does Anybody Have Any Good Pictures Of A Cob Web Paint Job?i Have Searched The Internet For Two Days And Only Found A Model Car With A Cob Web Paint Job.any Help Would Be Greatly Appreciated.thanks

 

I haven't done one in a while but the last one I did I used unreduced laquer. Spray with a standard siphon feed gun with a standard cap, using high air pressure. Not sure if some of the newer basecoats work the same.
Jerry

 

Yeah, same here..haven't done it in about 20 years...cobwebbing that is....but I used an siphon gun and turned the pressure down low. Keep adjusting down and test the pattern until it comes out stringy. Don't know if it will work on an HVLP gun...

Dave

 

I know when I try to spray a poorly mixed or under reduced BC urethane it'll come out like a good cob web. This is usually magnified be playing with the air pressure. It almost always happens when I'm tired and have no patience left too!

Play with it straight from the can, I'm sure it'll work.

I do know that the urethane's 'webbing' tend to dry in mid air and that can be a bit troublesome to achieve the effect you're looking for. I know this because I had one Hell of a mess to clean up a couple times in the last couple months from not mixing my BC right- brainfade victim... Thankfully that stuff doesn't stick well until cleared.

Vance

 

you have to use an old style siphon spray gun, you have to use old lacqure paint , turn the air pressure down real low, put the lacqure in the gun stright (un-reduced) pull the trigger and turn the presure up slowly untill the paint starts to spit out of the gun, heres where ya get ****'d, you cant paint new urithane paint over lacqure, you can pain lacqure over base coat paint though, if you are confused or just wanna here it verbaly give me a call 516-409-9551
FRITZ

 

These guys have it right. I did one a few years ago, did many cobweb jobs back in the 70's and wanted to try another. I used unthinned lacquer out of a siphon feed gun with low air pressure. I couldn't get the same results using basecoat, it seemed to thin right out of the can. went over the top of basecoat, topped with HOK SG100 with candy intensefirer and cleared with urathane, no problems, still looked good when I sold the van 3 years later. Don't touch the webbing untill it's topcoated, done right it barely sticks (will wipe off) till it's melted in with topcoat.

 

I played around trying to do it with modern (base coat urethane) paints a couple years ago. had a very hard time getting it to make nice patterns like the old lacquer used to.
I had the best luck using an old siphon gun Basecoat barely, or not reduced. I still couldn't get it to "string" out nicely. So I took off the fitting for a breather on top of the gun's can, and hooked up a fitting with a regulator, and tee'd it into the breather hole, so I could put controlled pressure on top of the paint inside the gun.After fiddling around with pressures, I got it to work well.
I can post a pic tonight if you're interested. Painted my pool table with scallops with cobwebbing.

 

You got the info.. siphon feed gun straight paint no reducer. I used to do a lot of cobwebbing.. Multi color **** too.
Dave

 

The webbing I was getting was with my gravity feed gun. I also found that if you work with paint that's a little on the chilled side it's thicker and will help with the effect. At least until the paint warms up. Try throwing the can of paint in the fridge for about an hour to put a chill on it.

Vance

 

yeah if you could post pics that would help also ,I need to get a general idea of what a good cob webbing needs to look like.

 

hey fritz, do you have a veiling gun?

 

i once heard it was a gun/ tip used to make those funky lampshades from the late 40's and 50's...
it had the swirling gizmo built in .. kinda like spin-art from the carnivals , only the tip spun ..
some how..this tip speed controlled dia.andso did distance from the work surface
paint thinning or nonthinning is key

seems a fibergl*** mat chopping gun worked the same way.. mechanical spitter outer

should the surface be wet so the piant laid down even ????

but i may be wrong as been proven before
paperdog

 

what company actually made that stlye gun?

 

dunno . the brand.. sorry
i believe my reference is from a early 60's 70's car magazine / hot rod annual custom paint tips....story showing how it was done on drag cars from the 60's... the gun was specific for the pattern... to be the same throughout the whole project... you know ?air pressure...tip speed -size and distance from work
i think it was a peterson issued annual......

some one with a organized library of these should find it...????
only so many showed custom paint..
good luck paperdog

 

Took the pics, even a close up!

 

thanks for pictures,what did veiling look like

 

here are a couple pics I did back in the early 90's for my swap meet beater.....Laquer over black Rustoleum....no clear and this truck was a work beast! Stuck really well. No I am not color blind. Just had the paint left over and didnt like the black interior, so spent about a half an hour and wala.....I do miss that truck.

 

I would like to hear more about this also. We are going to paint my fed like that. So bttt.

 

the jersey fink picture looks more like 'cobwebbing' than what's on the pool table. veiling has a completely different look. maybe fritz'll show us pics of his veiling gun. some had dual spinning heads... :0

 

to do a proper cobwebbing job you need a veiling gun. the story i've been told is a buddy in the furniture business gave watson a veiling gun and thats where he discover cobwebbing.

veiling guns were used in both the lampshade and furniture industry. the furniture use ones were usually single headed(but not always) and all of the lampshade use ones i've seen were dual head design. they aren't easy to find and when you do they usually aren't cheap. since i live in the middle of a huge furniture industry area i always watch the local auctions where those places are closing down.

i don't know if you can do a proper cobwebbing job in anything but lacquer. i've seen some folks get close but not as nice as what you can acheive with lacquer. the chilling the paint suggestion is the best one i've heard that tends to work. even then you don't get as much stringing. i keep saying i'm gonna leave the lid of a can for a coupla hours and then throw it in and chill it to try it but i'm lazy....ken....

 

Come on guys. Would like to see more pics of this stuff.

 

Cob webbing by the inventors. Hope you can read it, my scanning and resizing skills ****.

 

Oddly enough,if you don't mind going the cheaper rattle can route,some hobby shops carry an RC Car webbing spray paint that sticks really well so it can put up with abuse...Might want to look into it...That's just my $.02..

 

I have seen something similar done using an acetylene torch and letting the soot from the acetylene flame make a cobweb like design. Anyone ever try this?

 

Here's a few pics of my wife's that was done with laquer by Butch Lynch who used to work for Watson & Winfield back in the day:

 

look up Rikk at Old School Flake... word is he has some new webbing paint

www.oldschoolflake.com

 

you ever see the movie big lobowski?? the crazy lady flying through the air thats how i do it!!

 

I was also wondering if using a paint like one shot would be thicker or maybe using an additive to make it thicker. I ran across someone talking about using rubber cement to make a spider web. Might try a test panel with some base color and see what happens.

 

I would like to see more examples of any more cobb web paint. So bttt.