Okay, so I had that "you have'nt posted for awhile note" when I logged in......So I may as well put my keyboard in my mouth along with my feet. So who gives a ****? I had a ball building my coupester and helping my dad build his '35. I'm pretty sure the guy down the street that bought his deuce roadster outright (he came by, needing a jump) just digs the **** out of driving his rod. We're all doing what we want. Aren't we? Will somebody p*** a beer? I gotta' sit and watch this *****fest. Pat
H.A.M.B. "Spreading the gospel of traditional hot rods and kustoms to hoodlums worldwide". A simple, elegant statement that shouldn't be too hard to understand. It seems the point of contention is defining "Traditional". When Rusty Wallace and John Force started calling their race cars "Hot Rods", I knew we were in for definition problems. Now EVERYTHING is a hot rod. Why not water down "Traditional" the same way?
I joined this Forum because of the style of Rods it caters to. If I liked Billet Boyd Easter Egg colored rods then I would join that type of forum. What's wrong with being narrow minded, if we have a forum that caters to our taste.
Well said...haha. I see more than a few vehicles on here that would never have been rolling around in the "good 'ol days". But their still nicely ***embled and I appreciate that. There is a "Traditional" style, and its somewhat well accepted around here. Older cars that try to stay aesthetically appealing, done the best that they can be within their limits, and without modern "bling-bling" mismatched onto them. I'm trying to put together an late 30's truck, fenderless with paralell leafs, and hopefully an six cylinder. Not exactly traditional by any means, but as long as everything is cleaned up and its got the "right" proportions to me...it'll work.
Sometimes I like to think of this palce as a walk around the zoo. Eventually your gonna go past the dumb apes cage that likes to fling its **** at everybody that goes by. The good thing is that most of us have the sense to know that it will wash of in the end, usually except the fool that does the flinging. They're the one's that have to end up eating their dinner with **** on their hands.
This always amuses the **** out of me. I am relatively new to rods, and when I bought my car, I bought it on "egay" as a "rat rod". I didn't really know what a rat rod was, but they seemed to be "traditional" rods to me. At least based on them. Low buck hot rods, they looked a lot like the Hot Wheels that were my fav toys as a kid. I like the traditional rides but respect the work that goes into the "bling" cars, though if I did have the money I would still prefer something like the rust bucket I own. I've got a couple of buddies with tubbed, billet-wearing cars, and they are sharp. There won't be billet on mine, but that's just me. I was making bike parts out of chunks of aluminum 25 years ago. That is billet. Any bikers remember the Strociek heads and stuff? Cool work. Anyway, build what you want, as long as you dig it. And YOU build it. I know what ya mean about the popcorn....
Hot rodding, like music, used to be a progressive endeavor. Always trying to improve, go the next step. Faster, more complex. New, exciting, "where will it go next" kind of thing. Somewhere around 79-80 a lot of it started to regress. and it's gotten worse as the years go by. I kinda of equate rat rods with punk rock. It's a little interesting for a while, but isn't it just a lack of talent? **** music, ****ty rides? Can't play, can't weld? I'm as guilty as the next guy though. My love of hot rods is an appreciation of older cars. I spend most of my time and a lot of dough on my cars. I love to read about, hear about, and talk about old cars. The fact that hot rodding is more popular than it's ever been is cool. But, it's 2007 folks. I buy new trucks to drive to work. I wear nice clothes most of the time, and I realize, that when I finish my latest project, it won't make me 17 again. Cars are a hobby. With our current project, I'm trying to build it as it might of been built in 1962. Traditional? Who knows. My dad is always giving me **** about how that's "not how we did it". I like that period of rod. That's why I like this forum. There is good news and bad news about old hot rodding if you do it right. The good news first. It never changes. The bad news is it never changes. But hot rodding doesn't just mean the old way. Like many people have said in this thread, do it the way you want. That's cool. But having an open mind keeps it fresh. The kids with their drifters and even those ****s putting wide whites on newer cars really have more in common with the old time rodders than those of us stuck in the past. They are pushing cars and the hobby where it hasn't been. For better or for worse, they are the innovators. That deserves at least a small amount of respect. Maybe just a tip of the hat to fellow tire burners. Stick with what you enjoy and promote it. But the whining, *****ing, know-it-all hate****ering shouldn't have a place on the HAMB. Live & let live. It shouldn't be hard. Everyone already knows that us traditional hot rodders are the best! Suuure.
Billet roller rockers when shovelheads were top of the line. And only bad guys rode Harleys. If I look hard enough, I might have a 'Strociek Engineering' sticker somewhere in the attic... Talking **** isn't about tradition. It's about ignorance. Every **** talker is compensating. Shut up and get back to work!
Dateline 1966: I get my first car, 55 Chevy 2dht, 265, 3sp. Of course the first thing I do is drop the front, jack up the rear with long shackels, yank the front bumper, put on reverse rims and cheater slicks etc. etc. so it will look like all the other "cool" cars in town. My Dad sees what I'm doing, and makes a comment something to the effect: "That's the stupidist thing I've ever seen, why would you want to screw up a perfectly good car like that?" Dateline 2007: I'm driving down the street and see a 80s something or other car about 2 ft. off the ground with 20+ inch wheels and spinner hub caps. My first thought is: Thats the stupidist thing I've ever seen, why would he want to screw up a.............
Whoa! Watch out there, the **** they're serving up in the movies sure as hell ain't ****er........... After reading through this thread I think what it really comes down to is: You need to do what YOU feel is right for you. Some folks get off on trash talkin' other peoples rides. Some of that is because they need to make their's seem better and some of that is based on jealosy. Usually these type of people are like this with everything else they do too. I'm sure you know the type. From what I've seen in my limited time here on the HAMB I think that tolerance and respect is the main ingredient. Some people have it, some people don't. Again, just like in "real life". For example I like roadsters and I like flatheads and I'm not big on fancy paint jobs. But I don't want to knock someone who likes metal flake or fat fenders or lead sleds. If we go to a cruise or something I look at pretty much everything. Do I LIKE all of it? Absolutely not. But I can appreciate the work involved and the fact that even though someones car may not be to MY liking at least we both have in common the fact that we LOVE cars. Just because you may not like someone's taste in hot rod's doesn't mean you can't learn something from what they've done. Even if it means you've learned what NOT to do IMHO Keep an open mind and don't worry about adhering to a strict "code"
Wow . . . looks like a lot of drama on the HAMB today . . . think I'll go crack another Easter colored Easter egg, paint my nails and make a ****** Mary Too many people worry too much about what the guy next to them is doing - when they should be more worried about what they're doing or in most cases NOT doing . . . building hotrods they can afford and enjoy. Yah know, I'd prefer to not run a SBC in my 34 coupe -- but they're a damn good engine and if they were my only affordable choice, I'd run one. After 25 years of thinking about it - I decided to build a 60's style blown 392 - like a fuel car. Was it the best horsepower per $$$ decision -- hell no, could have bought two crate Hemis for the $$$ I have in it . . . and I've scrounged for parts, done the engineering and I'm doing all the work I can. It even has a big chunk of shiny billet on it -- to hold the blower idler . . . just like they did in the 60's. I also build flatheads -- try finding a "traditional" SCOT blower for one . . . there goes $10 - 15K -- puff the magic fricking dragon. I paid $400 for mine 25 years ago . . . was ALOT of money to me at the time. Maybe I'll build a tradiitional 3-71 blown flathead with a CHAIN drive (which is traditional by the way) . . . that way when I rev the piss out of it and it throws a link, the chain will fly off and maybe wrap itself around my ******** neck . . . and I'll be a "Greasy Chainer" . . . will probably make somebody mad . . . who cares . . . BILLETT? - I have an original 59L flathead block that was raced in the early 50's . . . came out of a Kenz & Leslie streamliner car. When I got it 30 years ago - it had two BILLET aluminum block-off plates for the water pumps . . . just like it did in the 50's. Guess making these out of 1/4 steel plate made no sense ??? Guess the billet pop-off valve on my SCOT blower and my billet Offy degree-plate for my Harman-Collins mags are taboo as well. Maybe I'll put this all on one car? . . . ought to piss everybody off . . . Whew . . . P*** me another Easter Egg please . . . and the salt . . .
I'll just quote one of the greatest individuals who has lived in the last century, Rodney King. Who said what is sure to be the most enduring utterance of all time, "can't we all just get along?". Frank
How come tolerance has become a one way street? Why can't the "moderists" or the traditional-ish street rodders have a little respect for those that have a p***ion for the old details. Why do we always have to be preached to about being narrow minded. We always get the "build it your way"...unless of course your way pays attention to the details that are important to us. Then we are **** restorers. I love this place. It's the closest to what I love than anything I've found. I don't remember Ryan having to speak up and say we are getting too traditional and need to get back to the run of the mill cookie cutter. It's usually that we are getting away from his mission statement. Every time this comes up it's about the hard core not having tolerance for radials and alternators...how about some tolerance toward us generator and bias ply fans. I'm glad that I can speak up and maybe let someone know that generators don't break every week and can be used reliably. It's just one end of the spectrum. I hope I never get embarr***ed about expressing my feelings and ideas here. Tolerance is a two way street.
...aw c'mon guys, where's all the yellin' and screamin', and name callin'? I'm takin' my popcorn to another thread...
I'll be 60 years old this summer, and I KNOW what traditional hot-rodding is and was because I "grew up" in it! On the other hand, I'm nobody's Judge! Although I get real drowsy walking through car shows with all the *****ling billet I often see! I like still appreciate the tastes of others. (even if I disagree with the way it's applied ) I prefer simplicity. I like the older traditional stuff. It always brings back a lotta fond memories of many cars and individuals who are no longer around. I suppose it's the ingenuity that fabrication requires that I admire most. That was always at the center of hot rodding in the 40's,50's, and early 60's. You HAD to make the parts you either couldn't afford or were not avaliable to buy from a catalog. It was a common practice and I always admired the imagination and engineering it required. My thoughts only.
Im with you Larry i read this whole ****in post and what a waste of time on easter sunday> Christ I could have stayed in the garage looking at my Gl*** 32 3 window or my Trendy ****ing Harley Aw screw everyone. I hate everybody and everything . (I do have strong feelings for my self though) If it wasnt snowing out id go outside and scrub the wide white on the ol ladys Grand Prix... 45 minutes more then im gonna start drinking. I cant stand tomato juice or v8 Come on lets see a fight.......' Dave
Actually, the best three things about this thread: 1) Buddah's ****-throwing comments. 2) Bored & Stroked's "greasy chainer". Blew Pepsi all over the keyboard. 3) The fact that we have some guys on this board who can write pretty well & express their thoughts coherently. "Billet" may be uncool now...but when Lil' John was doing it, it was freakin' awesome. It still would be to most of us, if you couldn't buy it "made in China".....so it all comes down to to the fact that we want something "different". So we build something just like they did it 40 years ago...supposedly. Most of the stuff I remember from back then was ****ty.
thought" tradition" was started with" fiddler on the roof" ....yadddah didddiia yadda didda domid di dom paperdog
HMMM. Traditional/Old Skool or what? Should I use the ****ery flavored, sea salt, sprinkle cheese, Iodized or un-Iodized Salt on my pop corn? Also should I go with the Jolly Time yellow or Jolly Time white, what about the New and Improved Orville Redenbacher's? Then should I eat them one at a time, or just grab a hand full and stuff my face? Decisions, decisions, decisions....what should I do to make everyone happy?
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