Hey! You! Cheapskate! wanna save money on your next rebuild? don't think you can do it by buying PAW's No-Name-O brand lifters....feh. after returning from the Roundup the Galaxie was chugging along painfully, so yesterday I pulled all the plugs and did a compression test. passenger side was A-OK, driver's side bank had 2 cylinders on the low-compression plan. did the squirt-the-oil manuever, no rise in compression. pull the valve cover, start her up, the affected cylinders show me a couple of non-rotating pushrods. crap! now, not all PAW brand stuff's crappy, I paid a nice price for a timing gear/chain set and it bore a Cloyes logo but these lifters are horrid, wretched, noisy junk. granted, a bathtub did not fall from the second floor and crush my dog, but this is dissappointing.
They sell a lot of badger stuff in a PAW package. I tried to save a buck on an oilpump from them a couple of years back, it lasted about 500 miles. I have bought some quality parts from them over the years, just doesn't pay to cut corners. I'm sorry to hear about your lifters, major pain I changed the cam and lifters in my Galaxie last august, less fun than a bag of porquepines for sure.
Went through the exact same thing with my '55... had PAW lifters in my 383... two of them were collapsed, and kept letting the pushrods fall off. Luckily dont have to pull the manifold on big block mopars... just the valve cover and the rocker shaft. Since replacing them, i've heard from a few sources how they are just crap.
I bought a set of PAW's Super Stock lifters about 4-5 years ago. For the 455 Buick in the roadster. Matched up em up with a mild Crower cam. Still running good. I understand - at the time and probably now as well - that there are only three lifter manufacturers in the US and everybody gets lifters from them. I did compare the PAW SS lifters with a set of Crowers and they look to be the same right down to the somewhat novel casting marks inside. You might want to check with them and see if they carry Super Stock lifters for your engine - stock cam or not - and if they are considered a better quality lifter than what you originally had.
Push rods falling out? If you have the preload set far enough down, I don't think theres any way they can actually fall out. I don't know what engine you're running in the Galaxie, but if it has rocker arm studs, I think you should also investigate them pulling out or loosening if they are screw ins.
[ QUOTE ] You might want to check with them and see if they carry Super Stock lifters for your engine - stock cam or not - and if they are considered a better quality lifter than what you originally had. [/ QUOTE ] well, unfortunately these were SIS lifters, P/N PAW-2083...can you tell me the distinguishing marks so I can see whether they are the Crower types, C9? thanks. I see that Edelbrock has a pretty good price on a lifter/cam kit, #2106, sez $130 in the '02 catalog. I'd like to get a Comp cam/lifter set but it's a bit more pricey. wheee! I just love working on this giant beast....oh, yes I do. especially when it involves dealing with the 1,642 pound manifold. at least I have a reason now to install the Edelbrock manifold I polished over a 3-month period....hmm.
I have been thinking of posting a message about these guys for a couple of weeks. I was looking at a short block 440 for the '55 Belvedere. If their stuff is not any good, where else can I go to get a 440 short block kit?
[ QUOTE ] I don't know what engine you're running in the Galaxie, but if it has rocker arm studs, I think you should also investigate them pulling out or loosening if they are screw ins. [/ QUOTE ] it's a 390, Doc. the rocker shaft was fine, everything was all nice and tight studwise, the pushrods are die-straight as well.
ok, bare with me because I am still learning at a late age. But I have heard of people just replacing the lifters and not the cam. what happens if you dont replace the cam?
replacing lifters and not the cam is OK, but not the other way around- the new cam will chew up the old lifters, and likely itself, in short order. in my case I'm going to bite the bullet and replace the cam as well because it's surely seen better days, though it's probably not the culprit.
thanks Foiled.. Thats another piece of knowledge I gained. I love learning from this board.. good luck doesnt sound fun pulling that FE out.. I about broke my back prying/lifting off the manifold on my 352.. then there is no room to work in those damn things..shits tighter than....
You maybe could try a Summit cam and lifters kit. I had a freind that ran one in his small chev bracket engine, that motor is still runnin around and it's been about 3 years now and it has ALOT of 1320 passes. -Jesse
Are the PAW lifters made in US? or just any asian import? Let me know when you're goin to pull the manifold, I'll stop by and help ya lift. That aluminum manifold is so light compared to the stok FE one, your car will sit like a gasser.
Might check into Herbert Cams. I ordered one about 20 years ago and actually talked to Chet on the phone. I ran that cam and lifter set for about three years with no trouble. Back then, I think it was "Any Cam, Any Grind $39.95" or something like that.
This thread brings up an interesting question. I was told recently that there are only a few aftermarket lifter manufacturers in existence. Others just package them with their name on the box. Anyone know the TRUTH to this question?
I use Rhoades lifters in my Poncho motors if I use a big cam...never had a problem 'cept they sound like a stock 54 olds 324 engine with 200,000 miles on it and never had the oil changed...click, click, click click click clickety click click.....you get the picture...
the remanufactured blocks they sell are junk blocks the buy from scrapyards. by junk i mean cracks in the lifter valleys. then they use a method known as "pin repair" in the automotive machine world to repair the cracks. when you get the blocks they are painted black on the outside and primer red on the oiling surfaces. if you remove the red primer colored paint in the lifter valley, chances are there is gonna be a pin repaired crack. diego
[ QUOTE ] Push rods falling out? If you have the preload set far enough down, I don't think theres any way they can actually fall out.... [/ QUOTE ] Damn Mopars... no preload... the rockers are all on a rocker-shaft... the detent on the rocker for the pushrod is quite small on both the 383 in my '55 and the 440 in my shop... the lifter collapsing gave it a good 1/4" of free play, allowing the pushrod to just sorta flop out while running. Watched it happen. Three times. Could actually yank the pushrod off the rocker by hand. New lifters = problem cured
ive never baught anything from PAW and i never will... id rather pay extra for premium mechanical parts even if it isnt a performance piece. youll save a buck in the long run.... as some have learned the hard way. then again, human error plays a big role in most foul ups
What timing for an FE post- I'm in the middle of swapping the lifters, p'rods and the manifold on my early 390. Didn't break my back over the manifold, thanfully, but had to wait for a second hand to lift the intake up 'n over the radiator. Bastard bit me in the hand between the mani and the block/heads when I tried by myself. Bastard... Thing is, I came very close to getting PAW lifters, but for some reason got them from Summit. Got the chrome moly p'rods and chrome water neck from PAW, though. I don't know what company the prev. owner got the lifters from, but they didn't look too old, yet definitely collapsed, a few of 'em. Man, the ruckus they produced! I'm really confused on how to install the p'rods and non-adjustable rocker arm shaft with the proper pressure over the lifters. How best to do this?
BTW, Foiled, I bought the intake from DCS via Ebay (they're between Temecula and San Diego, I think), they did an excellent job cleaning up this '66 GT 390, although took forever to get it in the mail- a week and a half after I paid for it over the phone, and I live up the coast from them. Other than, they seem like good people, have lots of hard to find FE parts, it seems.
You got me on that one, Tman. Yeah, I bitch about the over-2 dollar/gallon price, yet convert to a 4 BBL intake, with plans of a bigger cam. No one's caught on to that 'til now.
[ QUOTE ] ive never baught anything from PAW and i never will... id rather pay extra for premium mechanical parts [/ QUOTE ] PAW sells premium parts as well as house brands. All you gotta do is ask the guy on the phone what brand the parts will be. F.A. - I'll try to find the lifter info for you this afternoon, provided I can find them....
FA i will admit that i haven't bought anything from DSC but a bunch of guys rave about him on the fordFE.com board. He has a good rep but you need to know that this is his second job. I have sent him e-mail with questions about parts and he has always responded quickly and always been able to answer my questions. I hope that helps. Garth/shiva
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