Snake Oil additive for the new low zinc oil?? Paso group pic?

Has anyone tried 'System 48-Plus' as an oil additive. There is quite a bit of info if you do a google search. The additive contents are not disclosed but looks like it may help to prevent scrubbing off a cam lobe caused by the new environmental friendly oil blends. It is relativly cheap too on Ebay. Someone handed me a flyer at a swap meet recently - of course salesmen make it sound like the best thing since sliced bread. Any comments or experience with this additive?? Also, where is the HAMB banner group pic from Paso? The HAMB Paso stickers are great.

 

The problematic new 'anti global warming reformulated oil' subject keeps coming up. Is there an additive out there with any decent ingredients to eliminate the problem? There seems to be lots of independent research on the oils; how about research on additives such as 'System 48-Plus'? Or are additives criminal?

 

I am not familiar with the product you are inquiring about. However, from what I have heard alot of guys breaking in a new engine with a flat tappet cam will add a pint or two of the GM EOS to their oil, which is usually Shell Rotella or Chevron Dello diesel engine oils (which have a dual rating for gas engines as well). I would post your System 48-Plus question over on the "Bob is the Oil Guy" forum (first link here). Here's a couple of links:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=473053&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=26

 

Doesn't Comp Cams sell an additive for flat tappet cams? I don't think you have to run Rotella (or similar) then.

 

Most Diesel oils no longer have zinc in them either as per new 2007 regulations. GM EOS is about the best stuff you can buy. Half a bottle per oil change is usually enough to get some benifit from.

 

Diesel oils still have zink in them, even the 2007 and up versions. The zink content is just less. Chevron Delo 400 15W40 still has about 1128 ppm zink in it, the old version had 1458 ppm zink. any thing more than 1100ppm zink is enough.

 

Are you refering to the new Delo 400 that says 'Low Emission' on the six gallon case (box)? Are you getting the ppm from the MSDS? The web site for System 48 Plus claims they did a 'Falex test' with a leading brand 10w 40. With a 850 pound load, it significantly reduced wear when the additive was used (that should be below most valve spring pressures). I e-mailed them and asked about the zinc problems with new oils and if their product would help flat tappet cams survive, if their additive contained zinc etc - will see if they write back and address this. Will post their reply should they respond.

 

It says right on the EOS bottle that GM doesn't recommend EOS or any other product as an oil additive.

 

Uhhhh... nope... wrong.. you lose... better check your facts...

They have to say that... it was a supplement first, now it is a break in additive... gotta make the gov. happy...

 

Uhhh...nope...wrong... I just hade some of the new Chevron Delo 400 15W40 ****yzed and yes it was the new low emissions stuff with the new CJ4 rating not the old stuff with the CI4 plus rating and the test results revealed a zink (ZDDP) contend of 1128ppm, and the people at Chevron will tell you the same thing if you call their tech line, YOU LOSE!!

I don't believe what others say, so I sent in several oil samples to get ****yzed at Polaris laboratories and the new Chevron Delo 400 15W40 low emission oil with a CJ4 rating has 1128ppm zink (ZDDP).

 

Had a brain fart in asking about ppm ratios - next response is exactly correct.

 

I think the ratio is 1128 parts zinc per one million parts oil.

 

Look here ***hat, first off it zinc, learn to spell...

next only the CJ oils have zinc left. There are plenty of diesel oils that have NO zinc int hem anymore. So shut your trap before you make yourself look like more of an ***...

You said "diesel oils have zinc" and that is not true, some do, but they are replacing all the CJ oils with other rating oils. You need to shut up before you cost someone a cam and lifters..

You sir are the loser.

and watch out for the new SH ratings, they're gonna be even worse...

and just a little bit more clarification... there are at least 10 different current ratings for oils at the moment (7 of those are particular to diesel).. SM, SL, CJ-4, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF-2, CF as well as a list of obselete ratings. You really need to knwo the rating of the oil you're talking about. "diesel oil" really doesn't pertain to just one rating....

 

You better let GM know because they have "***embly Lube" clearly printed on the label. GM doesn't recommend anything, not even their own "***embly lube" as an additive/supplement...They say so on their "***embly Lube" label.

One wonders how the manufactureres of additives and supplements makes the government happy where GM can't.

BTW, one should proof read their own writing before chastising someone else about their spelling.

 

and a year or two ago it said "additive" on the label. so

Maybe you should do a little research.... it was pulled as an additive because of the zinc and other stuff in it. and now is sold as ***embly lube.

Thanks for playing, try again...

 

You guys are having a good arguement don't want to interupt, but I think EOS stands for Engine Oil Supplement. It could be the same as the RACE oil that contains zinc that's not to be used for street use. By calling it ***embly lube they are not actually recommending it's use while driving. There's lots of guys dumping EOS in with every oil change.

 

It's just like the special olympics....

 

O.K. Dumb ***, I didn't say all diesel oils contain ZDDP, but yes most diesel oils do contain ZDDP to some extent, just some contain a lot less than is needed for a flat tappet cam engine. Secondly I said that I had Chevron Delo 400 15W40 ****ysed, both the old CI4 plus version and the new CJ4 low emission version and that both came back with enough ZDDP for flat tappet cam engines and engines will run just fine on these oils after the cam has been broken in, for brake in you can use either GM EOS or even STP in the red bottle wich also contains more than enough ZDDP for cam brake in. How do I know this? Because I brake all my engines in like this and haven't had a cam failure yet.
Oh and SM & SL & SH rated oils are not diesel ratings, the S in SM & SL stands for spark ignition just like the C in CI & CJ stands for compression ignition. That is not to say that some oil don't have a S & C rating wich means that they qualify for both gas and diesel engine use but in most cases only for light duty diesel engine use
such as in small pick up or p***enger cars.
One more thing CJ is the curent low emission rating, the rating system follows the alphabet as in CE, CF, CG, CH, CI, CJ. Do you under stand this E,F,G,H,I,J with a C before it for compression ignition. The same goes for S rated oils wich stands for spark ignition and the second letter also follows the alphabet system each letter replaces the last according to the latest oil standard.

 

i thought this whole discussion was nullified if you just swap to synthetic? didnt i see that somewhere on here in the past?

 

aside from the pissin' contest, anybody know why i'm seeing a lot more distributor gears going south?
a few 96-99 vortecs, an msd, and a amc...
think EOS would do any good?

 

Does anyone know how the aircraft oils perform? Phillips and Shell are both very available 20-50 oils and I suspect they have a high zinc content. Lycoming engines have always had cam lobe wear issues. I just don't know about running them in an automotive application.

 

I bet you failed English, you sure as hell have a hard time with reading comprehension. I never said any S rating was for diesel, I said there were 10 ratings for oil and listed them, I said 7 of them were specific to diesel. I guess when you made the blanket statement "diesel oils have zinc" you should have said the particular oil you used and tested came back with enough zinc. Maybe you should go look at what the actual ratings mean instead of trying to impress us with your command of the alphabet? Please, please explain numbers now....

You really need to go back and read your posts. Maybe take a writing cl***, you sure as hell don't win ****. You don't even know what you wrote and are claiming you wrote something else. You're comprehension of what I wrote is abysmal at best. Try again, thanks for playing, you get a gold star for being an ***hat....

 

Be sure to check the ratings on the bottle. Most aircraft engine oil is Ashless Dispersant oil (think non-detergent) whereas automotive oil is a detergent oil.

Shawn

 

I hate to interrupt a perfectly good ******* match & I don't have anything to offer to the discussion but.....

Does anyone have any recommendations on what type oil I should run in my bone-stock '38?

I recently heard of a freshly-restored, real, Hemi Cuda that lost a cam when the owner left it idling for an hour while he washed it. I'd never leave mine idling that long but I sure don't want to have a perfectly good cam go down on me because of ****ty oil.

JH

 

I don't have a problem with comprehension, I just thought I'd explain things real clear for you, so that you might have a chance of understanding it. Cl*** dismissed. If you have any more engine related questions, feel free to ask me, I'd be glad to help you out!

 

Why don't you two put your big girl ******* on and shut up..

Go have a ******* contest elsewhere.

Shawn

 

oil fight !!!!!!!!!

 

If you explained it correctly I might consider it. You were neither clear or concise. Better luck next time. Cl*** was canceled because a teacher didn't show....

Bite my ***...

Baiting the trolls since the internet began....

 

hey harrison i would run shell rotella. you can get it in straight grades. i have used it for years in my older cars.
also i always thought ashless oil was just a cleaner oil?

 

For those interested, was in WalMart this week and they had 'Power Service Diesel Lube Oil Extender' on a clearance rack. I wrote PS and they said it contained 1% zinc which I believe equates to 10,000ppm. It was designed to treat/extend up to 45 qts of used deisel oil. One quart of PSDLOE ought to bring 10 quarts of oil up to an additional 1000ppm zinc. Problem is, PS doesn't make this product anymore - the EPA probably shut them down because of the zinc. If you can find this stuff at truck stops etc it may be worth while to pick some up (I will verify the 10,000ppm next week as the engineer that responded is out of the office till then). Also had a Chevron engineer research Delo400 15w40 with the api rating of CI; it contains 1300ppm zinc. This product can still be found in various stores too but it is a finite supply until it 's gone. 'System 48 Plus' is supposed to get back with info too about their product protecting those vunerable cam lobes. Hope this helps - long live flat tappet cams!!