I have a 64 Galaxie fastback, it has a 289. I got the car a year and thought it was a C4, it has started slipping a little and ive been checking some things out, it has a square pan with 14 bolts, if i remember correctly the vin said it was a cruisomatic - is this right ? You can tell by the pan and number of bolts right ? Thanks guys and gals L
does the pan have a kind of round lump sticking out the drivers side? and an aluminum case that the bellhousing is all one piece with the case? if so it's a 2 speed Fordomatic. or does it have a cast iron case, and the bellhousing unbolts? that's a Cruiseomatic, but I didn't think they made them for those engines? or an aluminum case with a bellhousing that unbolts? if so it's a C4 or it could even be a C6, if it has an aluminum case with an integral bellhousing and a square pan with a notch out of one corner (I'm ***uming that the trans could have been changed over the years)
Squirrel i was looking under last night, i think its a cruisomatic. I noticed there is a line hanging with no hose on it, isn't that a vacuum line that is suppose to run up to the carb ? L
there should be a vacuum hose from the intake manifold to the transmission vacuum modulator (little round can with a tube ****** sticking out of the end)
Cruise-O-Matic and Select-Shift refer to the shifting of the trans, NOT the transmission type. A C-4 can be either, as can a C-6. You likely have a C-6 (possibly FMX, though I doubt it), as I do not think Ford put the new-for-'64 C-4 into any large car. You trans is definitely a Cruise-O-Matic, as the Select-Shift was intro'd in '67. Again, that has to do with shifting, NOT trans type. As for spotting, you should first get the Ford factory manual for that car. Invaluable for all work. Cosmo
These may help... http://www.tciauto.com/Products/TechInfo/trans_dims.asp http://www.tciauto.com/Products/Components/transmission_pans.asp Chris
I dont have any vacuum line hooked up, i looked under the car last night and saw a steel line running from the drivers side across and down on the p*** side, is this the line that should have vacuum ? or is that a breather ? Also, could a C4 bolt right in place of the cruiso ? i thought they had dffierent bellhousings ? L
Ya know, I ain't Squirrel, but I DO know what I am talking about here: A Cruise-O-Matic IS a C-4 or a C-6, that name (Cruise-O-Matic) refers ONLY to the shifting, NOT TO THE TRANS!!! You have a C-4 in all likelyhood, but whatever trans you DO have in there IS a Cruise-O-Matic, as ALL Ford automatics were called Cruise-O-Matic in that year. It's like this, a rose is a flower, but all flowers ain't roses. Ya'll look real silly going for parts and askin' for parts for a Cruise-O-Matic, 'cause the next thing they'll ask you is "Zat a C-4, or a C-6??" As to the different bellhousings, well, you are right there, and you have a right different one, the 5 bolt small block bell, which is '64 and '65 ONLY. Don't lose it!!! You CAN bolt that housing (if it's a C-4) to any C-4, but it will only fit '64 and '65 221, 260 and 289 Fords. Lastly, '64 C-4s are wierd beaties. They are the only year that uses the narrow front band, and you had better believe that the wide band will NOT fit. Then again, you ain't listened to whatever I said already, so maybe Squirrel can copy-paste this so you'll unnerstand. Cosmo
Cosmo, in this part of the world the Cruisomatic name is ONLY used for the iron case transmissions. At the ****** shop we called them small and medium case Cruiso. Ford shop manuals from the 60s call them the FX and MX, and the later trans with the aluminum bell is the FMX. The C4 is called the C4, the C6 is called the C6, in the ford books and replacement parts books that I have. I have never heard anyone besides you insist that a C4 or a C6 is a Cruisomatic. Interesting....but probably not helping solve the problem here? Anyways, the vacuum modulator on the iron case transmission (whether you call it a Cruisomatic or FX or MX) is on the driver side, sticking out the rear of the main case, next to the tail housing. Vacuum tube should be connected to the back of the modulator. The modulator is alittle round metal can about two inches long, an inch and a half in diameter roughly.
Cruise-O-Matic is the name on the range indicator either above the column, or on the floor, depending on the car. Also in the owner's manual and all advertising. Likewise the 2 speeder was Fordomatic. This is where 90% of people get the idea that the trans is a Cruise-O-Matic, because it says so in and on everything that they see. Few owners have ever seen a service manual. I've owned every model Ford built in '64 or '65, as it happens, and all were as I explained, T'Bird to Falcon. C-4 or C-6. Select-Shift, OTOH, was only advertised for a few years after intro (1967), probably because it operated exactly as GM's Turbo-Hydro (US government mandate), rather than the somewhat odd (to modern eyes) Cruise-O-Matic shifting. I also have not seen a range indicator with Select-Shift on it, but it was advertised as such for a couple of years. This is why I say that whatever trans is in the car, will be referred to, by Ford's advertising, etc., as a Cruise-O-Matic, though the trans could be C-4 or C-6. On another track, how many Cruise-O-Matics have you done with a burnt second gear band?? My bet is most. All I ever had open had a burnt 2nd band, due to the slightly odd shifting. Cosmo
The guys I know who work on the ******s don't read the advertising, they read the service and parts manuals. I won't argue that the advertising and operating manuals have the names in different ways than the service books....but I think it only confuses the issue to mention them here.
What you mean I aint listened ? I listened and thank you for the input i know what you are saying, but once i looked up my vin it said "CRUISOMATIC", it did not say C4, but C4 was another option. Either way, the ****er is slipping and i need to work the **** out - C4 or cruiso L
Hahaha. You crack me up Lawrence. I'm absolutely no help here. The "Cruiso-Fordic-C-46" in my T-Bird is leaking and slipping a bit as well. So I'm keeping up with this thread. Btt
Funny thing is, mine doesn't leak, i thought they all did hahahaha Its a cruisomatic, i have the vacuum line hooked up. Im gonna change the ****** filter and fluid and see what happens. Eryk - Dante said he changed his filter one time and the **** was like new, something to think about HOLLA nikkas
On the C-4 you can adjust the bands. Do not know on the FMX, but if you can adjust the bands and put new fluid and a filter it may take care of the problem. Also make sure you use the old style Ford trans fluid and not the new stuff.
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