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how old does something have to be to be "tradtional"?

for instance, MII front ends.....

we've been using them for 20+ years, longer than some of you have been alive


i'm not just picking on MII's either...

 

Are we talking about a MII front end from a pre'64 or post '64 Mustang?

 

Tradition is what YOU grew up with.

That being said, here's my take.

Mustang front ends will NEVER be traditional for me. They do seem to work well with fat bodied full fendered cars. As for installing one in a Model 'A' or any open wheeled car; NOT!!!

 

May be wrong but MII's didn't come out until around 1974.

 

I grew up in the 80's. Does that make mullets tradtional?

 

Hell I pulled the m11 frontend out of my 40. Its an era, not because junk from 1975 is old now. Speaking off mulletts i should try to find my parachute pants,and jams.

 

If you wanted a perfect 1976 style Hot Rod, oops, Street Rod yeah period perfect traditional. As for here, no never. But then again a traditional 60s car would look odd with 40s or 50s styling in it too. I guess its all reletive...

 

MII front ends are traditional in any car where they can't be seen. I put one in my old '34 pickup.... always regretted it... but sold the truck. I've currently got one in a '52 Chev full custom project.... acceptible use in my opinion.

 

Interesting post!
My take on traditional is using what was there at the time period you are shooting for. Ex: There were no mustangs in 1955 (example period) hot rods didnt have mustang 2 front ends. There was no fuel injected engines then as well.
A hot rod ( model A or 32 Ford for example) would have used a 55 chevy or olds rear axle, a model a front axle and a engine from the day ( no gm crate stuff).
We built my hambster drag car ( HA/GR) car with the "pre 1962" guidelines. The engine is a 1956 GMC, the carbs are 60's AFBs, the ignition is 50s Mallory rev pol, the seat is from a 30s chevrolet,rear axle is 57 Edsel,front axle is 37 Morris etc.
I overheard mercdueceman at the Cinnimatic say in reference to a car "nah he's a street rodder" . Never thought about that way but a good statement.
There is a difference between a hot rodder ( traditional) and street rodder (new everything) and a "goldchainer" ( with trailer).
Maybe we can develop a "HAMB" dictionary in regards to actual meanings etc ?? ( someone want to jump in and start??)

"flame on"

 

How old does something have to be?

It's not about the age. So no one can use a new PM7 and two brand new Stromberg 97's on a flathead because they're not old enough?

People get too w****d up in "traditional" and "non-traditional". They also get confused on a traditionaly styled car, and a car built in a traditional manner, ie: "At home, with available tools, swapmeet parts etc".

You can build a traditionaly styled car out of all brand new parts, and an 80's monochromatic, pastel orange, billet loaded car, out of swap meet parts,and in the "traditional manner" in your garage....It doesn't make it a traditionaly styled car though.

For the purpose of this board....I think a tradionaly styled car, is a car that looks like it would not look out of place in an old black and white photo at some car show back in the (pick your era: 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's).

It might have a MII or camaro front clip on a fat fendered car, but you can't tell until you get up under it. It might have a newer 5-speed, or automatic, but you can't tell from looking at it until you get up under it. etc, etc.

People get too hung up on labels. This board is about flatheads, nailheads, rockets, hemi's, small block chevys, fords, etc.. It's about model A's 32's, 50's whatever, 30's ,40's 50's hot rods (with an "S" not a "Z") and custom cars.

I wish all the drama posts about what is and isn't traditional, and why the HAMB isn't what it used to be etc, would fall off the face of the earth!

I see post's of some guy's mock-up, or first fire-up, or first drive, or finished car, fall off the board with 3 or 4 responses, and drama posts go to 4+ pages. If some of the guys complaining all the time, would get on those posts and encourage those people, and compliment them, or ask them how they did something, or what their plans for the rest of the car was, maybe the HAMB would be all that they wish it would be?

 

Any of you guys remember when the Corvair IFS was the cool thing to do ?,...... I was able to pick up a lot of cool old dropped front suspensions during that period, dirt cheap.
I put a Must.II front end in a full fendered 34 coupe about 12 years ago,...... drove great, cornered like a go cart, but I still hated it. anything I build for myself will have a dropped I beam, end of story.

 

MII front ends were used in PINTOS. That makes them Pinto front ends, but no one wants to say they have a Pinto front end in their hot rod!

 

Well put dv8.

 

what about pre 64 pinto front ends then - are they acceptable?

 

only if you use them with a 1955 CD player in the dash.

 

Parachute pants and jams... what memories.

But I'll raise you a zippered Thriller Jacket and the "BOZ" haircut!

 

I think I found my single glitter covered glove............

 

OH, no. That was the 'bat glove' not glitter............

 

Man I'm starting my own tradition, 74 Pinto wagon body (flip up ala funny car style), on a pinched 32 Ford frame, all chrome Jag rear end, 1930's Chevy parallel leaf front end, Hilborn injected single cylinder 1920's Maytag washing machine motor, complete with push pedal starting, Divco truck wheels, single Bellflower tip & 6 speed tremec ******. Tradition is, to some extent what you make it, I think a better term is "period correct", do you want to build a traditional car? MII front ends are a rodding tradition now, or do you want to build a "period correct" car? This is an interesting post..... now I need to draw up that stupid car I just described building, what if I brought that to the HAMB drags!

 

Us okie are probably the only ones that remember boz haircuts,dont know how I forgot about that one. I used to sport a rat tail.

 

This is a thread that will never be hashed out !!!!!

If ya wanna build your car the right way & stick to an era ~ period correct ~ then do it !!! find all the correct parts, and buld a reall *****en car !

If you dont Give A **** about time guidelines ......... Feel free !! UIse the mustang II front end OR camaro clip, Tuned port injection '88 'Vette 350, Disk brakes on an open wheel car, jag OR 'Vette rear end.

Nobody really cares if it looks like a REFUGEE or ROLLING ABORTION

Build it how you like it, Makes all the WELL EXACUTED PERIOD RODS LOOK THAT MUCH BETTER !!!!!!!!

And for those of you who are gonna FLAME me over traditional era corrsct parts ..... YER JUST TO LAZY & CHEAP TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO FIND THE RIGHT PARTS....can you say 1-800-SEND PARTS ?

 

Maybe me having my tongue in my cheek was the reason you misunderstood me...

This little feller here means sarcasm---->

 

How about building things the way you like them and not labeling it, or anybody elses ride, even if you like it, or don't for that matter?

 

I don't know what traditional means, but I know it when I see it.

 

Man, I built that same car back in the 80s, get with the program!
Ran a good 11 on the quarter (Minute) Only I was so traditional I used a hand crank mangle for the motor, with injection!

 

Thats pretty well sums it up. An expression you hear descibing things that are not in current vogue is " that kinda dates it" will be used in the future on some of the stuff being built "traditionally" today.

 

Denise, why are those smilies trying to eat that dead horse?? What, it's "beat" a dead horse? Hmmmm... that makes more sense.


Nevermind.

 

no offense to the author of this thread, but what are you really trying to find out here? are you really wanting to know what's largely acceptable in the hot rod community?
**** 'em! build something to your approval and your standards.
i completely agree with the notion that some cars mix too many decades worth of styling and it just looks like ****, but i don't think that's what's really being discussed here.

i think our boy desoto hit the nail on the head.
build it how you want it.

oh, and by the way, i have a car with a mustang II front end, i never had parachute pants or some haircut that looked just like some famous athlete or musician, and i never really followed "trends".
does that make me uncool?...



...ask me if i care.

 

I know Im a newbie,and this is a very flammable matter ,but...
In relation to the original question,its not a matter of how old the part is ...a 70s made/used part like the M II front end will never be traditional,although it could be 70s period correct.
Traditional has to do with the beginning ,the way it was done when it all began,the purity of the movement ,before it evolved...
To me, traditional has to do with the 40s and the 50s,everything else is period correct...a 60s "traditional" car ,etc...
But again,its all about freedom and having fun ,working on your car and going fast,and all of that is also traditional,cause it was,is and always will be about all that...

my 2 cents...