Look what I found on another board! 2 413 crate motors, OD green, that appear to be NOS. Figured I'd p*** it on. There have been 4 bidders so far. ~Jason Go here: http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucbystate/ There's a pulldown menu in the uppre right that says "Browse States". Select Michigan out of the list. Or you can just do a search for "413". There's a bunch of Power Wagons... and a listing for: Item Name Sale-Lot Number Current Bid DODGE GAS ENGINES 61FBPI07220030 258 USD Ends 08/08 03:13 PM CT * DODGE 413 CI V8 GAS ENGINES, 2 EA. 1LT (1236WW-7135-MI30) THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT WARRANTED. Property Location and inquiries/questions regarding removal: USDA Fs Marquette Warehouse Repair Shop 110 Ford Road Marquette, MI 49855 Contact: Celeste Chingwa Phone: 906-249-1497 Fax: 906-249-3080 CHINGWAC@MICHIGAN.GOV
As little as I have left of my memory it seems to me like there was a military vehicle in Vietnam that was in use by the marines. It was called an "Ontos" or something very similar. The troops called them "pigs". It was a small very lightly armored track vehicle with six, 106mm recoilless rifles mounted on it. Don't know if the army used them or not. Anyway, long story short I seem to remember that they were supposed to have 413's in them. Maybe someone can confirm or deny. If it's so they could have been sitting around some supply depot for a llooonnnggg time. Of course if you are just looking for a good condition block to rebuild it would be tough to find a better one.
Those are not NOS but take-outs. See the exhaust carbon at the exhaust ports and other brackets shown being in stalled. Now, that said, tese may have had virtually no wear or could be worn out! BUT that's the surplus game and you should end up with AT LEAST 2 good cores and parts to rebuild for a 413 as hairy as you want it to be. A deal for that price if MOPAR is your motivation of choice!
Oddball heads, intake and w/p; a bore size that there's practically nothing made for. Unless you were going to clean them up and run as is they're the red-headed stepchild of BB mopars. Cranks are good 3.75 forgings, but also may have an oddball industrial flange; practically useless for anything else.
Like these? http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-armour/allied/ontos.htm http://www.answers.com/topic/ontos?cat=technology These folks have a lot of info on them: http://ontos.homestead.com/main.html Looks like they had 6-banger Allis-Chalmers motors in 'em until a retrofit, of which under 200 of them got Mopar 361s? ~Jason
I guess that's what I remember was the retrofitted units. Oh well, for something that I was involved in forty years ago I was close but no cigar. The Ontos were great until you fired all six tubes, then you had to get out to reload. Sometimes getting out was bad for your health.
According to this post from the 318 Poly Yahoo Group: That's not your typical 413 either. The block is an industrial block (casting number is up by the oil pressure sender). I have one of those blocks in my car (they came in motorhomes). I've heard that they are 440 cores but were only bored out to be 413 and thus have plenty of meat. I didn't have mine checked to verify this as I already had pistons. The heads are truck only - notice the odd bolt pattern on the center exhaust ports. The water pump/housing is also different and not terribly suitable for a car. Furthermore, the heads are thicker and thus the head bolts on these motors are too long to use with other heads. Dave Casey
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