Thinking of getting a winters for my Model A build. Been eying their new V8 Style quick change. Not too fond of the billet looking bells, but was thinking if they were powdercoated to match the axle tubes they might not be so offensive. I've never seen one not polished in a picture, so if anyone has a pic of one NOT polished I would like to see it... Most importantly though, how does she run? I would like some input from someone who has one... if someone has one that is! Oh yeah... if someone IS running one, what are you running for engine and ******?? Just curious.
I have a V-8 center section that will go between '36 bells. It looks like a quality piece. Performs ok for sittin in the box up on the shelf. It will end up in my A modified with a 2.3 Turbo Ford/T5 mill. Dan
Call **** Spadaro at 1 518 861 5367 he is an expert on Winters quick change rears. He had 10 of them at Louisville.
If your going to run modern axels with separate side bells and late model brakes why not just use the much stronger champ center section? I'd use the smaller V8 type if I was using the traditional antique one piece side bell axels like the later 30's Fords.
mmmmm! Nice! Looks good unpolished! I should know this, but I don't... are you running a flathead in that Larry?
J have sold a bunch of Winters rears both the V/8 and champ. Every customer has been satisfied and there have been no problems. I personally like the V/8 under the A and 32 and the champ under the 33-34. I had two under ch***is at Louyville. both V/8s, one plain and one polished. The hotrod public loves a QC.
I am putting one in the '32 I'm building. Using '47 axle bells, modified to use later Ford axles and brakes.
I just bought a winters V8, it arrived all boxed up, however the bearings were not installed on the axles, I went to the shop to have them pressed on however we are confused. In the box with the retaining plates there are small steel rings that are radiused on one side, does anyone know where these are supposed to go. There were no instructions in the box. we have the bearings and bearing retainers, they were boxed together, this additional ring has us confused
I've put a Winters V8 Quickchange with 40 Ford side bells, big bearing Ford axel ends and Dutchman Axels in my 32 with 354 Chrysler Hemi power. Put it on the road about a month ago and have 3,800 miles on it now. It works great is well built, strong and looks traditional.
The shims and spacer are necessary to set up the carrier. You will also need a set of checker bearings to properly set the preload and backlash. It is critical that this is done corectly.
I'm intending to get one of these for my coupe. 3wLarry, is yours the Champ or V8? I've been recommended the Dutchman axle...does any one have any experience with these? Thanks, Dusty
Not sure if we're talking the same, but my speedway winters with 9" ford ends came with bearing spacers about 1/4" thick. Depending on your rear brake dimensions, you may need em, they go between the bearing and axle. Mine is like mad-lad's. Raw cast finish. Couldn't be any further from CNC.
the small rings are retainers,to help hold the bearings onto the axles.for safety sake,don't leave them off.if you arn't shure what you are doing contact winters so they can help. -danny
Not wanting to "rain on anyones parade"; but there are a couple of things about QC's that want consideration. On the GOOD side 1. LOOKS! = *****en! 2. Convenient if you want to change rear end ratios in a hurry. 3. VERY traditional! 4. Change gears - for different ratios - EASILY available. 5. Did I mention; LOOKS GREAT sitting under ANY car. On the NOT so GOOD side 1. If your using the "spur type" change gears; and are going to do some big time touring, the WHINE - neat around town - will drive you NUTS!! 2. "Helical" change gear QC rear ends cuts the WHINE out; but the rear end has to be a slightly different type. (the Helical gears "push" each other away, which can result in accelerated wear) 3. QC rear ends are "parasitic" - they use MORE HP to spin the extra gears. (more and more Bonneville LSR's are removing the QC rear ends, and turning to conventional rear ends - mainly because of the HP loss) So ... would I use one under my S.C.o.T blown flat head powered "A??" HELL YES!! I ain't racing anyway!
There was an extra set of rings, about 1/8 thick in the box with the axle retainers, we have the 1/2 thick bearing retaining rings with the bearings. it's these extra rings we don't know about
Mystery solved, the extra set of rings are to set up the brake offset of the axles to the housing. To set the offset at 2.5" then you use the extra set of rings before you press the bearings onto the axle. if you need 2 3/8" offset then you leave these rings off and press the bearings directly onto the axle
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