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Removing a sheared head stud with Jonny69

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jonny69, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Jonny69
    Joined: Jul 24, 2007
    Posts: 275

    Jonny69
    Member
    from England

    Recently I checked the tightness of the head-studs on my engine, something you should do on a freshly built engine because the headgasket compresses a bit and the studs of bolts stretch a little. Unfortunately I managed to shear one off which left a length of the stud stuck in the block. This is possibly the worst thing that can happen when you're working on a car and I was dreading doing this job. I decided because the head is quite thin on my engine I'd give it a go with the head in situ without taking it off. This also meant I would not risk shearing any more of them when I torqued them back up. I was also tempting fate by taking pictures for the internet. Doomed from the start...

    This is the offending item:

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    Closer inspection tells me it's a hand made stud because comparing it with an OEM stud one can clearly see the difference in the threads. On the OEM machine made item the thread has a rounded profile where it is rolled out and on this broken one the hand cut thread is very sharp. This leaves a nasty concentrated fracture point so this stud is inherently weaker than the OEM one.

    These are what I'm going to be using to get the end out the block with. Easy out stud and bolt extractors:

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    It's a bit like a thread tap except the thread is left handed and tapered. The theory is you drill a hole down the middle of the sheared bolt or stud and wind one of these in until the thread binds then you can undo the stuck end. That's the theory anyway. In practice they have a habit of snapping in the end of the stuck thread leaving you with a drilled out stud with half an easy out stuck in it which is then too hard to drill out. I weighed up the risk/grief ratio and decided if it snaps I'm no worse off than when I started as I would have to take the head off and do the welding method anyway.

    So there are a few things that you can do to help things along. First is make sure you drill right down the middle of the stud. I jumped on the lathe and turned up a simple bush to drop down the hole in the head to use as a drilling guide:

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    You could make it by hand from a short length of bar if you were careful but I had kind access to lathe. The bush drops down this hole:

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    As you can see it's conveniently chosen to break the stud with the least access. This is a common thing to happen, you'll find you never break anything that has clear access to work on. To make life easier I made an extension bar for the drill, just a length of bar drilled down the middle that I could tack weld the drill bit into so that the drill itself is up away from the bulkhead and the wires:

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    Another handy hint from someone who knows is to put a punch on the stuck part and tap away at it. Now I know my hammer is mighty and large but actually I'm just tapping it and you want to tappity tap tap away at it for about 5 to 10 minutes. The aim is not to lamb it down the hole but to just lightly deform the threads on the stud so that it will be a bit easier to wind out. Here's me in action. Go me:

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    Welder up on blow holes in stuff setting and a quick stitch to hold it in the extension and I drilled down through the stud until I broke through. It's worth noting this is a top quality drill because I didn't want it blunting or breaking up in the hardened steel used for the stud. It went through it like butter despite using only my trusty 9V Bosch battery drill:

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    The easy outs are numbered and for a 3/8" stud you use a no.3 'out'. I loaded it up in a small tap wrench and wound it in. It grabbed the stud and felt like it was unwinding something and came loose and could be turned by hand. I was suspcious that it should be so easy and when it finally came loose and I withdrew it I wasn't surprised to see the end of the easy out had just mashed up and I was clearly just turning it on itself. This was most disappointing so I had a second and third try, this time hammering the easy out into the hole in case I could get a good grip. It was just left looking like this:

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    I was about to give up but as you do in these situations you say to yourself what have I got to lose... so I got a larger drill out to try the next size up. I had nothing to guide the drill in straight except the existing hole but it went in straight enough and I pulled the swarf out with with a magnetised scredriver. The no.4 out is big enough to use a square brake shoe spanner on which made things easier and as before it grabbed and turned but this time the easy out felt like it had hold of something. I just kept turning and like manna from heaven I was greeted with the end of my broken stud jammed on the end of the easy out:

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    I can't tell you what the relief felt like, it's an amazing feeling. So after cleaning out the rest of the debris with the magnetised screwdriver I selected a decent stud from the old ones and tightened it in:

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    This time I took extreme care when cranking up the nut but to be honest the original stud felt a lot more sturdy than my new ones. Celebration was in the form of gnocci topped with leftover bolognese sauce, real parmesan cheese and a bottle of cheap French wine. Do I know how to party or what?
     
  2. Dirty2
    Joined: Jun 13, 2004
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    Dirty2
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    Nice post except for the stuff you eat.
     
  3. panhead_pete
    Joined: Feb 22, 2006
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    panhead_pete
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    Cool tech post and for the record I love Italian food :)
     
  4. BRILLIANT!
    Allways the entertaining, Jonny69
     
  5. old beet
    Joined: Sep 25, 2002
    Posts: 5,750

    old beet
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    Great post, if only it would work every time! I always end up drillin and chippin and cussin!!!!...............OLDBEET
     
  6. ratt7
    Joined: Sep 23, 2005
    Posts: 362

    ratt7
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    Great post, I will add your commets to the "how to do" binder. Always learn something at this site.
    Thanks
     
  7. Mmmmmmmmmmm.............. Gnocci............
     
  8. publicenemy1925
    Joined: Feb 4, 2007
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    publicenemy1925
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    from OKC, OK

    I always love a post that ends well. Good job.
     
  9. As always, nicely written and documented.

    s.
     
  10. butch27
    Joined: Dec 10, 2004
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    butch27
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    Isn't it funny at our age UNSCREWING brings so much joy.
     
  11. Crankhole
    Joined: Apr 7, 2005
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    Crankhole
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    Can you post a picture of the gnocci? Glad all turned out well.
     
  12. Markgyver
    Joined: Aug 16, 2007
    Posts: 151

    Markgyver
    Member

    I use a left handed drill bit (A drill bit that turn counter clockwise) when ever I break a bolt. It will usually back the broken bolt right out.
     
  13. Jonny69
    Joined: Jul 24, 2007
    Posts: 275

    Jonny69
    Member
    from England

    Thanks for the comments chaps :)

    That's long gone :D

    I really wanted to try one of these but I couldn't get one locally. I might put a set on my shopping list because I've only seen good things about them. Since my cars are only going to get older from here I forsee much broken boltness in my future :D
     
  14. Bruce Lancaster
    Joined: Oct 9, 2001
    Posts: 21,681

    Bruce Lancaster
    Member Emeritus

    Put the original studs back in! Cut threads evil, rolled threads good!
     
  15. Jonny69
    Joined: Jul 24, 2007
    Posts: 275

    Jonny69
    Member
    from England

    Tell me about it Bruce! That's why I didn't want to touch them :D
     
  16. suavemechanic
    Joined: Mar 30, 2006
    Posts: 33

    suavemechanic
    Member

    i have a really large collection of easy out type devices and the best thing i have learned to do is throw them out if you stress them ! any that bend twist or fail to grab wont work next time either....
    i like the tapping idea
    cheers
     

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