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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Falcon Gasser, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Falcon Gasser
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    Okay here is what I am hoping to find out, If anyone has adapted a supercharger / blower to there ride. Something like a Eaton M90 from a Thunderbird or something off a new supercharged GM vehicle.
    If anyone has pictures or info on something to use or how to go about this please let me know. Thanks, I am trying to do something different with my falcon over the winter and have the ability to machine the parts needed to adapt I think and hope. Thanks again guys

    Jon
     
  2. ray
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    from colorado

    i'm only speaking from what i've seen and read, but i would go turbo on a ford six instead of a blower, mostly for packaging reasons in the car. but what do i know, i've never done either...yet!
     
  3. crapshoot
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    if your going to make all that work for yourself by trying to reconfigure a supercharger you might as well have bought the right one in the first place

    also what motor are you talking of putting it on
     
  4. Falcon Gasser
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    Its a 351w and they just doent make an intake for a 351w so I am on my own. Thanks for the input

    Jon
     
  5. How about a Paxton unit? Like on the early GT350's? We just put a SN60 on a small block Chevy and its pretty damn cool.
    -Dean
     
  6. tattooedup37
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    I know on the M90 eaton the issue is that the Throttle Body is on the very back of the supercharger.... Instead of the top. If you are looking for power I don't think these newer blowers would work as well as a 4 or 6-71. You could use one and run a Dellorto or weber carb but that might not supply the motor you are using it for. And if I'm not mistaken they do make intakes for A 351W. It is a very common application as far as engines go...
     
  7. Mizlplix
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    from S/W USA

    If you want easy but expensive, go Vortech, Kenne-Bell or Paxton.

    Me, I've used a dual quad manifold and bolted an upper box on it to mount a roots type blower. I would use an Eaton 110 off a Lightning or the M90 if it is cheap.

    The distributor is the hard part. Use a flat spider cap if you went points, but electronic has too much voltage for a small cap and needs a BIG cap with the terminals farther apart. Space the blower up higher.

    The drive is pretty straight forward.

    With the two mentioned blowers, you must modify the case or make an intake box for a carb, OR go fuel injection. GL with the project.
     
  8. Isn't the 351W the same as the 302? If so, the old B&M (now Weiand I think) had a small blower for the Windsor engines with an offset snout to clear the distributor. Don't know if it's still available new but I've seen a few over the years on eBay.

    Just a thought.

    Steve
     
  9. ray
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    you could at least call me a retard for ***uming that a tiny sixbanger is powering your ride!:D

     
  10. recycler
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    Jon, any of the suggestions will work. If you have access to a machine shop you can make anything work. I am in the process of adapting a little Eaton to a V8-60 flathead. I am sure Hampton makes a full setup for 351W but if you want to do it yourself you can build a manifold using a 2 piece tunnel ram that will clear the distributor. Be creative and you can do just about anything but some things will work out better than others. If you want to discuss further shoot me a PM.
    351W has a taller deck height and therefore a wider intake than the 302
    Brad
     
  11. squirrel
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    the deck height on a 351w is quite a bit taller than on a 302, so the manifold is wider, so that suggestion won't work.
     
  12. panic
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  13. rab71
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    If it were up to me, I would go with a turbo over a blower. Soooo simple, and ample parts. You could go twin or single run blow through setup real easy. Easily fab a turbo setup for under $1500. That would be including new electric fuel pump (if you went that route) rework the carb to be pressurized etc. You could pick up good used turbos cheap on egay, or check turbo mustang sites. That stuff is huge!;)
     
  14. rab71
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    Oh... Not to mention that M90 is WAY too small for that 351.
     
  15. Shifty Shifterton
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    They make manifold spacers to use 302 intakes on 351W, opens a whole world of used exotic intakes.
     
  16. BigChief
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    Hampton, BDS and others offer direct fit intakes for the 351W.

    .....and if you want to use a modern Eaton, the MN112 (used in 4.6 equipped Cobra and 5.4 equipped Lightning) will feed the 351W but you'll still have packaging issues due to the inlet location on these blowers.

    -Bigchief.
     
  17. Bugman
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    There is a key problem with modern superchargers that no one has mentioned. Because they are off fuel injected cars with the fuel injected below the blower, the seals in them aren't made to hold up to the continuous spray of gas from the carb.
     
  18. fast Ed
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    That is correct. We have guys in the T-Bird Super Coupe club putting M112 blowers on the them, and AutoRotor screw-type blowers to get more air pushed in, on the 230 CID V6. On a 351, it would only be enough for a few pounds of boost down low.

    The M122 on the new Shelby would do the trick, but they aren't cheap (yet).


    cheers
    Ed N.
     
  19. tjm73
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    That might not be true. I contacted Magnuson (Eaton remanufacturer) once a few years aback and asked about gas p***ign throught the Eaton M90. They said it'd be fine.

    The M112 has been on several Ford cars & trucks besides the Shelby. Eevry Mustang Cobra startign in 2003 came with one and every OEM supercharged Ford truck (Lightning & Harley Davisdon) had one. They are on eBay all the time it seems.
     
  20. fast Ed
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    The M112 off the 03-04 Cobra has a rear / side air inlet, the Lightning M112 actually has it on the top rear, which can create hood clearance problems. Either of those can be found pretty cheap, lots of guys take them off to be replaced by upgrade blowers.

    The 07 Shelby has an M122 which is a bit different again. It has a left side air inlet near the back.


    cheers
    Ed N.
     
  21. Pigiron
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    How cool is this?
     

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  22. Pigiron
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    Or this?
     

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