I am about to trade for a t-10 Trans which is a 4-speed. I do not know anything about these Trans. at all. Any quick Info would be appreciated. I would be putting it behind a 350 in a 1967 Camaro. I am getting a set of 302 Chevy heads and a set of manifolds for my Camaro too. Thanks in advance!
If it is in good shape it is an excellent trans. In decent shape it will take quite a bit of punishment. They used to be my favorite before I switched to the 700R4 overdrives.
From what I've heard and read about them they are a great trans for small block applications. But don't seem to do well behind Bid blocks(ie. don't handle gobbs of torque very well). which does'nt apply to you. My buddy has been running a super t-10 behind a 10.5 second smallblock in his Camero for over a year now, and we inspected it not too long ago and it still looked like new inside. Oh ya, your pick'em up is one of my faves!!
I've heard great things about them, good strength and build quality, but if ur buildin somethin for power, personally I'd still go muncie for a 4 speed car.
Super T-10 is a GREAT transmission. The older T-10 is not as strong. Guess it depends on what you're going to use it for - dragging, cruise-ins, touring ??? What's the ratios (How many rings/grooves on the input shaft?)? What's the casting numbers on the transmission?
+1!!! Ive had a 67 Camaro with a 350 and a Super T-10 (close ratio),and it was sweet!!! ...dont know much on the regular ones ,though...
Funny how they came in the Buick's with the 425 Nailhead with dual fours, seem to handle it pretty good too... Hmmm...
They came behind 409 Chevies and 421 Pontiacs, too....but the fact that they were shelling them like walnuts led to the development of the Muncie four speed. Keep in mind that all the original T-10 is, is a T-85 three speed with an extra gear and reverse stuck in the tail. As someone already said, great behind early 283 Corvettes, but I'd look for a Super T-10 if my engine were making lots of torque. Besides, if it's an early one, you'll probably be able to sell it for enough $$$ to buy a stronger four speed with the proceeds.
They also came in (at least) the '62-'64 Galaxie big blocks until they changed to top loaders in later years. They were used in lots of things.
I've got one, Never ran it yet. Its still in the camero discribed above(my buddies)... Every where I turn people are telling me not to do it...Not if I wanna keep it. Anyway, I'm sure the small block in my buddies camero is working it far harder than a stock 425. Just a guess. So, your right. I'm sure it is fine for a stock to mild BB application. And I raise you a ... All in fun!
I had one in my 64 Falcon behind a 300hp small block, I never broke it. I had a Hurst Comp plus shifter with the linkage adjusted right, but it would pop out of 2nd on rapid deceleration. Tim
my 70 amx has one....dont think i could ever destroy the trans....its had some real knarly trips down the road...never missed a beat!
As I recall T-10s were engineered to handle 350 ft lbs of torque. That was plenty of capacity when they were first introduced in 1957. From 57 to 63 there were two gear ratio options. The close ratio version the drag racers liked had a 2:20:1 first gear ratio vs the standard version which had a 2.54:1 first gear. By the early sixties they just weren't strong enough to hold a super stock engine. The Muncie appeared in production cars in 1964. I think it was designed to handle 400 ft lbs. The Muncie came in three versions. The Super T-10 (Borg Warner's answer to the Muncie M-22 "Rock Crusher" transmission) as far as I know was never offered as an option in a factory car. The T-10 broke under speedshifting conditions as the br*** synchronizer rings wore down causing the gears to chip as they tried to engage. That said, for my part they were the sweetest shifting transmissions I ever drove. They aren't that hard to rebuild. As a novice I had a copy of Motor Manual for the early sixties and all I had to do was carefully study the exploded diagram to put one back together provided you didnt mismatch the parts from different ratio transmissions. Parts are still available. I picked up a brochure from a guy at one of the Goodguy shows in Charlotte a while back.
Ahh...Thats alot, but you act like it's unheard of? Those are fairly common #'s for a BB...And your still talking stock? How many people around these parts are running a "stock" anything? This is a HotRod message board correct? You build that 425 nailhead to handle any sort of RPM, put some gears and some sticky tires to go with it, and I'd put my money on the fact that the t-10 is going to be the week link. I agree that there good. Like everything, it has it's place to shine. Just not where a toploader should be
I run a 1966 model T-10 in my 37` behind a 496" motor , the only problem I have it`s getting hard to shift under full throttle , must be time for a little winter maintanance
I have a richmond t-10. Its like a super t-10 improved even further. It should be good for up to 500 horse. Ill be runnin it behind my juiced 302.
Not all super T10'S are created equal, there is a few smaller output one's that came in late 70's camaro's that had the 6 rings on the input. Beware of that trans it has a 3.44 first gear & is the WEAKEST of all super T10's, it WILL break if you punish it with some HP.....jmho
Many of the 60's High Performance muscle cars ran T-10's including some of the Fe series Ford big blocks (390, 406, & 427 ) I've had a few behind cammed up, high horse small block Chevies. They'll take a lotta' punishment. I later I opted to run Muncies instead because the Borg Warner stuff was getting harder to find, and much more expensive. If it's a good box, with "smooth" gears, I'd go for it! If it needs a ton of work done to it, I'd p***. Good Luck!
Where does the toploader fall in rank as far as strength goes? I would bet its stronger than any of the aluminum cased muncies or t-10's. Anybody know? available with a 1-3/8" inputshaft and 31spline output, iron case. dang!!
I just had a t-10 out of a early 60's vet rebuilt and put it behind a 327 in my truck. Love it. Short ratio but with a 1:1 final ratio. It scoots.
Like someone already said the T-10 is one sweet shifting 4 spd. Out of all of the 4 speeds I've had it's no.1 in shifting. I've kept one that has had very little use and I'm hoping to find a home for it in one of my projects. Frank
The 1 3/8 toploaders are real strong but the down side is they ONLY come in close ratio version (2.32 tall first). Good news is some of the toploader guru's (David Kee, Dan Williams etc) offer a 2.78 aftermarket 1 3/8 input to convert them so you can now have a strong trans with a useable first gear.....Hemi35
Hhhmmmm,,,,,, my Muncie M21's been behind somewhere around 10 motors, always had a little second gear scratch when driving slow, but you get used to it, when going for second you pull back til you grab the synchro then pull 'er home, same when you're down shifting to second or especially first, but, under throttle it acts as it should, and after rebuilding one to fix simialar minor complaints and regretting it, I know not to jack with it! P.S. I ****ing LOVE my Muncie!
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