Ok guys I have a ford 302 with a three speed ****** that has been recently rebuilt and was pulled from another car.My question is this...I would love to get an older model ford like a 49-51 coupe.But since most of these cars did not come with this type of engine would it be a long shot to fit my 302 in this type of body without running into all types of clearance problems.... Any help would be appreciated Thanks.
My good buddy COOTER here on the Hamb just recently put a 302 in his 50' Ford, he ordered an engine mount kit that was all set up for the swap in shoe box's and it looks almost factory. Pm him and I'm sure he will give you the specifics. Good Luck.
Im not saying this to piss anyone off..but a 302 is about the most gutless engine i have ever come in contact with..just my 2 cents
I have a 51...plenty of room for your 302. I also have a 302 in my 34 coupe. I ran this gutless motor from Maryland to LA Roadsters and back this year. Thats coast to coast gutless for you. I also played out in PForge at Shades for a week, heading for Charlotte in two weeks...have run a 302 in this car for 13 years.... So, Von Ragg Fink...what do you do in your hot rod full of gut's?
Drive 5.0 Mustang with a 5 speed manual box and see if you feel the same way. Even better drive one that's even slightly modified. They rip.
I totally agree with you. .... and the 302 is a great choice for a shoebox. Speed parts are plentiful, cheap compared to some other engine choices, good on gas, etc..... Malcolm
gut less didnt mean they couldnt go coast to coast..they just lack power for that size of an engine with out doing alot to them to make them into a contender..i knew this would sturr up you blue oval guys..and yes i have owned 2 302's so i have a basis for my "opinion" and i have clocked way over 900,000 miles in chevy engines..not all one engine ..currently over 300,000 in a 350 and 175,000 in a 327..they are still running and will run circles around any 302..so what ever!
Depends on the ******. If you have a ****ty torque converter (like I have in my dumb *** C5 ****** (some stupid newer version of the C4 that they don't make hop up parts for), then you would be correct. But the reality is there are THOUSANDS of Mustang drag racers that would disagree with you and probably challenge you to a fight to the death. Just name the time and place. They'll find you.
but like i said and alot of people are repeating what i said ..they(302)has to "built" to be a contender..im talkin out of the box..and you make a good point about the torque converters ford torque converters **** too...oh boy here we go again..
OK, so gutless is defined as lacking power without a lot of work...how much power do you need to drive 900000000 miles...never mind, you dont get it. I guess you get a pretty good discount from the rental companies driving down that long road to noyfb, or eden, or "whatever". I didnt put a 371 Olds motor in my kids 40 coupe because it makes power.
Great choice tons of parts out there. Cheap to add horse power to. Theres engine mounts from lots of suppliers to put it right in a shoebox.
you dont have to cry about it..i wasnt bashing you or your ride dude..like i said it was just my "opinion"..they are just not known to be performance engines with out having to be tweeked..relax dont be such a fordface.
If you can find a 54 or newer car to put it in, they will almost bolt in with stock parts, and you get the much better front end for free.
ok i will say this ,and leave it at this..a 2,000 pound 5 window with a stock 302 is not much for that engine to push..put a stock 302 in a 3400 pound shoebox brick and see how sluggish it is..big difference!
I find most guttless 302s are early smaog motors... they retarded the timing on the timing chain and gear set... I have found replacement of mid 70's timing gears to a 69 timing set gives lot of ump... FrankBoss
Yes, smog motors are gutless. From the dark days when 150 hp was "High Output". Still, isn't "stock form" or "out-of-the-box" pretty much irrelevant in the world of hotrodding?
i guess it is..your right..but ya gotta start some where. A basis for a good motor is where it is when it is out of the box..S.I.S.O..imo
You can buy a bolt-in motor mount kit from someone like Hot Rod & Custom Supply. Then do the following: Drill the crossmember for the mounts Find a rear sump oil pan and pickup Find a left side manifold to clear the steering components Space the radiator forward for fan clearance Modify the firewall/trans tunnel on '49-'50 (not necessary on '51) Looks like it belongs there........simple.
Ok, gutless redefined again as 'out of the box'. Big M...zactly right, who here isnt doing something to change everything about their car. I dont think cam, heads, intake, carb, shift kits, and rear gears are necessarily a lot of work for a 'hotrod'. Porting the block on the flat motor was a lot of work. I guess someone will speak out that flat motors are less than gutless...well, I love mine, BOTH OF THEM!! MUNCIE - do your thing and have fun brother, more than enough room under that hood!!
A stock 5.0 from the 90's pumps over 300 ft-lbs. of out-of the box which doesn't sound too gutless. They put them in big, heavy cars like the Crown Vic and Explorer. If that's not enough try a stroker crank. I like the Ford in Ford idea also.
I will run a 302 Ford in everything I own that has a hood. Got one in my '63 Ford daily driver with a million plus miles and ones on its way into my '51 Ford. I love them, easy to come by, easy to build, and perfrom great. Plus they sound a million times better than a Chevy. I am roughly about $800 into my motor. Machinework done, new pistons, crank, cam and lifters, etc. I still have headwork to do and the rest of the top half. I estimate it to be good for somewhere around 300 horse which when backed by my WC T5, and a 4.23 rear, will rip.
What if I say I can show you an article from a credible magazine with a STOCK 1990 302/5.0 HO with only heads, intake, carb, roller rockers and headers that pounded out 405 hp at 6000 rpm and 380 ft-lbs of torque at 3800 rpm? So that's a "gutless" engine in your book? Mind you that's with the OEM factory roller cam. I've driven a dozen different Chevy 350 powered cars, trucks and vans. They felt pretty gutless to me. So with your logic I can say the 350 is a gutless engine. BTW...if roller cams were allowed in the Engine Masters compe***ion that 302 would probably be winning this years compe***ion.
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