ive been reading about the 460 and i like it because of shear strength of all the parts in it. also it has like 250 horse power stock so no matter what i do it will be powerful. ive also read that you can easily juice 400-500hp out of them without doing tons of work. the only problem is gas mileage . it will take a tank for down the road n back. anything wrong with what i said? how do you hambers like it?
I loved the 460 in my 77 Lincoln, p*** almost everything but the gas station. You cant expect fuel mileage out of this engine, no way no how. What were you thinking of putting it in anyhow?
i have a 60's ford truck i either want to sit on a newer frame with a powerstroke for a little bit of mileage, but then i have a 429CJ just begging to be put in something.... i guess it just comes down to how much youll be driving it. if i ever have to use it as my tow vehicle im going to have to take out a lown to pay for the gas!
Using an overdrive trans or tall gears to keep the revs down will help with gas mileage,heaps of torque can do that easy.
I'm not a Ford guy, but you've got to take notice of the 460. It's strong and has good speed parts available thanks to the truck guys. Plus, when I see places like Speedway selling 512 CI stroker kits for $1200-$1300, I could easily fall over into the Ford camp.
I'm not really sure what to say here. Some of this depends on what vehicle it's going in, & what you expect it to do. The lighter the car, the better.... There are a couple of things that can be done to improve the mileage...it depends on what you start with, and how far you intend to go with it (i.e. total rebuild?? or, bolt on a couple of parts & throw it in??). As mentioned, you can use high gearing, like 2.70:1 or the like, and/or an OD trans....the 460's torque (if set up correctly)will keep it from being a pig...the only problem is that the only OD trans from Ford that was ever put behind the 460 is the E4OD....which is very large, heavy, & requires a stand-alone controller (computer) to work without the carb. The controllers are available from Baumann, a**** other places, & are big $$$. Another option, which may be a bit cheaper, is to use an adapter & run the GM 700R4 trans.....or, use an adapter & use the Ford AOD (which WILL require mods to survive behind a 460 for performance). So far as the engine goes, if you just want to bolt on some stuff to a running engine, I'd concentrate on using a Perfomer intake (not the Perf. RPM, Stealth, or anything else), a 600 cfm Holley or E-brock, a decent timing chain like the FRPP set (or at least one that will correct the 4 deg. retard of the stock sets), headers, preferably a long tube set if you can fit them, AND a reworked/recurved Duraspark distributor (or MSD if the budget allows). If you want to go a bit further I'd look at using a different cam. Beyond all this you'll want to do some internal mods....
The 460 is a torque monster and it weighs a ton. Like any big block it's going to cost you some bucks to go through one. Here's the 460 I recently built for my 56 F100...
The 460 is a great motor, I have seen the Ford Crate 514 motor out of the box pull down over 500HP to the rear wheels in a 68 Mustang with over 600lbft of torque. The nice thing is that you don't have to pull high RPM to get max HP/Torque. The main thing with a 460 is getting the right Ford parts. You can actually take the Ford 460 crank and offset grind it to 4.150 which changes the big-end diameter to 2.200 inches. By using aftermarket rods and pistons you get to 528 cubic inches. Or you can swap almost anything from a 429 (except the Boss 429)........like CJ or SCJ heads, rods, etc. Again, although the 460's have potential, they are not cheap to get HP from. The stock 429 2v/4v and 460 4v heads are around 73/77cc's while the CJ heads are aorund 71cc's. A set of CJ heads would really wake the motor up with a good single-plane manifold with decent carb and set of long tube headers will also add that "seat of the pants feeling". A good cam for a stock to mildly mod'd engine would be around 292 intake/exhaust duration and around .485/.510 intake/exhaust. Here is a list of what goes into a 500HP stroker 460. You can probably do this yourself for half the price. http://www.proformanceunlimited.com/specs/460_514_stroker.html Have fun.
CJ heads are hard to find. I used the '69 Lincoln 460 heads that have the small combustion chamber. I bought new CJ valves from Ford and had them installed. Ground the exhaust ports to try to strighten them out within reason. Used Offy 4 bbl manifold and a PWA rerbuild kit. Lots of power.
I built a 460 for my jet boat (I know its not a steet rod, but it is a hot rod), and I absolutly love it. Its a great motor to build, and they make great power. But, the gas milage ****s. I'm only getting about 2 miles to the gallon. But, I didnt build it for gas milage. It made a little under 550 hp on the dyno, and I just added a 150 hp shot of n2o. These motors can stand alot of abuse. They arnt kiding when they say built Ford tough. Here is a pic of my motor.
I had a 460 in a '74 Torino with a c-6 and about a 3.25 rear end. I could get 20 mpg on the highway if I kept my foot out of it. Normal in town driving (not beating on it) ; about 13-14 mpg
What are some easy ways to get power from them. For the most part "I" think that the are very restricted because they cant breath. from what ive been reading they dont need any real upgrade in strength because of their beefyness(I like Beef). not sure if i have the money to go swapping cranks and rods, but i definetly could change the pistons and the camshaft. my game plan so far: port and polish headers 4 holley 94s ?hi-po camshaft? open up oiling system hi-rev rockers no i know that list isnt very technical, but this is just what i have in mind because for the most part its cheap and ill get decent horse power out of it. so what do yalls think?????
OK, you asked for opinions. They are kind of like belly ****ons or SBC's, everyone has one. I would forget about the 4 - 94's, kind of like spitting into the wind, just not enough carb for the motor and to find or build a manifold, well..................not worth the effort. Go with a single 4brl. The motor will flow pretty much the way it is for the mild build you will be doing, as I mentioned before look for around 292 duration and .480's by .510 lift. Good hydraulic lifters with new springs, retainers, etc. I would have screw-in studs put into the heads so you can utilize adjustable rockers. As for the heads, just port match to the manifold and headers. Because these chambers are pretty good sized, I wouldn't take a lot of material out by grinding and polishing. Concentrate on the bowl area doing some smoothing and leave the rest alone. A good set of headers and good ignition system should wake the motor up. IMHO
that sounds about right, how many horses do you think that would put out? im shootin for around 400 hp. but this might be laughable for the build im doing. im kinda new to building engines, ive only read about it so im sorry if im a bit slow.
I like 460's.....Only problem i have is getting traction, even with an adjustable four link and a locker. I run a C4 behind mine, i would recommend you go through the h***le of adapting one behind yours. They're WAY smaller than a C6, and rob about 40% less horsepower. You'll need to have one built to handle the power through. Mine runs on E85, should be producing right around 575 horse...and tons of torque. Over 500 ft. lbs. from 2000 rpm-5000 rpm.
Cresentwrencher, Yah, about 400HP at the Crank would not be out of reason. Just make sure you get that book on "blueprinting" and get another one on building the 385 series motors. Depends on what year motor you get and if it is a 4brl or 2brl. If you can look for the factory 4brl as it has the most HP to start with. Do the build slow and ask a lot of questions. Going with the C4 is a really good idea, as they can be made to easily take the 400HP you are going to put out, they are small, and the parasitic drag is the least of almost any automatic transmission available, (means it will take less HP to turn it over) . OK, go out and find a motor and get started.
find some DOVE heads which were on the 429's they have a smaller c.c. porting up the exhaust will help out alot too. stealth intakes and a holley 780 for me. lots and lots of power and thats pushing 3/4 tons
The stock 460 from a '69 Lincoln put out 365 horse and 500ft/lbs of torque! A bigger carb (they came with 600cfm holleys) cam, and some headers, and you'll be sitting pretty with minimal investment.
I am running D0VE-C heads but I had Ferrea SCJ valves installed to boost the flow even more. Heads already have m***ive ports, just need to open it up to the cylinders.
i just traded a bunch of parts for a 557 stroker kit i plan on doing wheelies though oh ya it will be motivated by an 8-71 and a hilborn i am hoping for 800 hp 3,000 lb truck.......nice tk
i traded some labor for my 429cj. $1000 worth its been rebuilt a few times, only has a few thousand on since the last rebuild. im just going to go through it , probably put a new cam kit and clean up the heads a little and a intake and run that ****er. my crewcab wont get **** for mileage but it will be fun getting there!!
a Gear Vendors will solve the OD problem, and will survive behind just about anything. and its about the same price as a decent rebuilt 700r or AOD. so just use the c6 and one of those.
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