1964 Pontiac Catalina 2+2 Convertible

I have been asked by a family member to sell a 1964 Pontiac Catalina 2+2 Convertible and a 1957 Pontiac Chieftain. Both vehicles have been sitting in the weather for 10 - 15 years. I have spent the past few days searching the Internet for everything from value, motor, and VIN decoding for the Catalina. I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me out with some of this. I haven't been able to find another car like this anywhere on the Internet. This is what I know for sure about the car. I know it is a 1964 Catalina 2+2 Convertible, has a 4 speed manual transmission, has an air conditioner, has power steering, and I know the VIN is 834k21368.

Is there anyway to find out if the motor is a 389 or 421?
I was told the value of the Catalina is around $2500, does this sound about right?
Do you know of anywhere on the Internet that I can decode the VIN?

I am going to take pictures of it tomorrow and will post them here if that is alright, or I can post them somewhere else on the net if not. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

Pics would help. With any car it's condition that determines the value.

 

I will post pics tomorrow.

 

i've got a 2+2, but i hate convertibles...let's see what you have!

 

Ipmitchel, PM sent.

 

Old Cars Price Guide values for a 64 Catalina ragtop
1. $21,000
2. $14,700
3. $ 9,450
4. $ 4,200
5. $ 2,520
6. $ 840

Add 10 percent for 2+2 option

 

I'll give you $5.........

 

ArkieHotRods,

Is that price guide available online? If so, I would appreciate a link. If not, could you give me the value on a 1957 Pontiac Chieftain?

Here's some photos of the Catalina.

 

Photos of the Chieftain.

 

What a shame it was to leave them exposed .

 

ArkieHotRods,

Is that price guide available online? If so, I would appreciate a link. If not, could you give me the value on a 1957 Pontiac Chieftain?

Here's some photos of the Catalina.



If there aren't any more parts for the cars and ***uming the floors and frames are ok i'd say no more than $2,000 for both cars.Those missing parts & gl*** get real expensive.

 

Hey Axle,

Thanks for the ballpark figure. What parts are you referring to? I think the only parts missing from the 57 is the bumper and all of the gl*** is busted. This car was full restored in the early 90's but the bumper couldn't be found. The transmission went out and it was parked. Then kids knocked the windows out and a large tree limb fell and hit the quarter panel.

The Catalina is missing the glove compartment, bumper, and convertible top. I think some of the gl*** is still intact in the windows. It hasn't been in as much weather as the 57. It was covered for a good while by a man who was paid $15,000 to restore it but he took the money and later filed bankruptcy.

 

that just sad

 

wow. i have two 64 catalina's and that is one sad sight. You might get a little more parting out the catalina than trying to sell that as a car. I wouldn't even pay $1000.

 

The sad part to me is that the rare parts on that 64 makes it worth more in parts than as a project car. If the basic body isn't swiss cheese, it's definitely worth restoring.

I had a 64 2+2 automatic convertible as a DD in the 80s. I might still have it if were a 4 Spd like that one.

The 57 might be worth restoring if it were cheap enough. Other wise it's more of a parts car in my eyes. I think you could find a nice one cheaper than restoring that one even if you don't count your labor. (I never do)

The 64 is a pretty valuable car when finished because it's rare and desirable. If money was no abject, I'd be all over that 64. To me it's a much prettier car than a Bonneville convertible.

 

I like this free online price guide...
http://www.manheimgold.com/

Problem is, the condition only goes down to "Fair", and that's a stretch for these cars.

Good luck.

 

I found http://www.collectorcarmarket.com/menus/makes.htm. The #5 option says "in need of complete restoration, but is complete and not a rust bucket beyond repair." Do you think the cars would fall in this category or even lower?

 

Looks to me like several people deserve capital punishment over this ****.

Look in an old Motors Manual, mine is a '71 and only goes back to '65, but in the Pontiac section it says; "The V8 engine code is located beneath the production engine number on a machined pad on the right hand bank of engine block."

I was a 12-13yrs old at the time, but in my memory the 2+2 option bought you the 421, so ***uming the #'s match the car should be desirable, but don't get greedy or it will sit there till it sinks into the earth, I'd say $1,000 each would be possible, but either one would be a big restoration task, and they are not even pre-war!

 

In fact, the '64 doesn't even fit the criteria of this board, as '63 is the cut-off year, as I understand. Tell the family they aren't worth a damn, then pull that 421 and build yer self a coupe or something!

 

The 2+2 option was a trim level in 1964 meaning bucket seats and badges. My 64 2+2 was a 389 4 bbl. Mine was a column shift auto and did not have the console. I bought it from the granddaughter of the original owner. She did order it directly from the factory and flew to Pontiac to take delivery and drive it home. You could do that back then.

 

That's just a crying shame. That 64 is a pretty rare car, but would need another parts car to put it on the road. You can bet the floor pans are cooked for sure, not to mention the missing seats and chrome. My first car was a 64 convertible and it is currently at the body shop having a rear 1/4 replaced from an accident. Yours was pretty car once upon a time....and could be again, but will require mucho bucks. If you part it out, I'd really, really, really want that dash tach....been looking for one for years for mine.

 

AGH! This is killing me! Who would let a 2+2 sit out and rot? And a 4-speed no less.

 

Sitting on the ground probably has turned the frame on that Catalina to s**** metal.

Yearone has a good section for identifying a Pontiac engine. Here's the link.

http://www.yearone.com/infocenter.asp?icl=1&iclURL=updatedsinglepages/Id_info/engine_id.asp

Cars with a 421 typically had a fender badge displaying that displacement figure.

 

www.collectorcarmarket.com

the 2+2 is in really sad shape. Floorboards like that probably mean the frame is shot too. The cost for the resto would greatly exceed the value of the car so you're better off selling the parts and pieces.

 

The Old Cars Price Guide can be bought at places like Barnes and Noble or Hastings. It's published six times a year, and you can get values on some cars for free at their website oldcarspriceguide.net

Values on a 57 Chieftain 2 dr hdtp are
1. $27,000
2. $18,900
3. $12,159
4. $ 5,400
5. $ 3,240
6. $ 1,080

The values I'm giving are from the October 2007 issue. A #5 car is "restorable." Their description of restorable is "needs complete restoration of body, ch***is and interior. May or may not be running, but isn't weathered, wrecked, and/or stripped to the point of being useful only for parts. This car needs everything."

#6 is "parts car" "May or may not be running, but is weathered, wrecked, and/or stripped to the point of being useful primarily for parts."

I'd try selling them at the #5 price if they were mine, especially if they have ***les. You can always lower the price but you can't raise it. I parted out a pair of '57 Pontiac 4 dr parts cars several years ago. They had already been used by a Pontiac restorer to restore a couple of his cars, so I bought what was left for $100, and cleared $2,500 on what was left.

Any car can be restored (proof can be found here on the HAMB) and both of those are desirable cars. All they need is time, money, parts, and skill!

 

In the "for sale" section of the cl***ifieds, '64 and older is given as the cut-off year, and the moderators have allowed cars like 65 Chevelles because they are essentially the same as 64s.

 

The gl*** for the '57 is reproduced. I have a catalog that shows the windshield for $205, the six side gl*** pieces for $205 and the rear gl*** (backlight or rear windshield) for $295.

 

I know my Pontiacs and i can clearify something here. In 1964 the 2+2 option did not automatically mean that the car came with a 421. The engines available were 389 4bbl, 389 tri power,421 HO 4 bbl, and 421 tri power. The Super duty package was discontinued in 1963.

If the frames on these cars were ok i would personally make you an offer and tackle them both, but.......? Any chance of you shoving a camera underneath these cars and snapping some pictures?

 

hey axle, my 64 2+2 has a 2 bbl 389...