New EPA refinishing regulations will apply to hobbyists after all

i would have left a comment BUT was unable to open a window to allow the my comments on the new restrictions to painting/refinishing of hobbyists vehicles...[motorcycles, automobiles, and other vehicles considered collector vehicles---military, antiques farm machinery to name a few]....is me or is it planned by our government, and regulatory agencies to make access to the comment process difficult thereby limiting discussion!
seems that there must be an easier process accessing discussion/posting comments!

thanx----red!

 

This thread really upsets me.I've been doing body work on the side for many years ,I don't do alot of painting but when I do, I want to walk into my local paint store and walk out with what I need.This will effect thousands of do-it yourselfers like me and this is the first I've heard of it....I've recently seen commercials for Duplicolor where this tuner guy transforms his plain car into a "Hot rod" just by using a spray can.Maybe someday thats all we'll be able to use...This just ****s! PAUL

 

Coincidentally, I just received my monthly SEMA Action Network email. I emailed the SAN about this issue. If there's any group that would be interested in this type of development, it's the SAN.

 

China and Aisia is responsible for a lot of smog.
China in particular has a lot of coal and they're building coal fired generating plants as fast as they can.
Take a look at satellite photos that show a big brown cloud drifting across the Pacific from China and Aisia.

Interesting that pro body shops would not want hot rodders, restorers et al to paint their own stuff.
A great many of them don't want to paint our cars either.
Or keep em in the back a year or so while they do insurance work.

What about spray cans?
They'll probably remain exempt for now since darn near every household in the world uses them.

My thinking is, paint jobs on cars will go the way they have on model aircraft.
Flying models anyway.
You'll get some big sheets of color on a thin plastic sheet similar to Top-Flites Mono-Kote model aircraft coverings.
It goes on with an iron, shrinks to fit and the overlapping splices/joins are darn near invisible.

In fact, some of the model aircraft trim stuff would work well on cars where the owner wants a two-tone or graphic paint job.

I'm guessing here, but the trim stuff - a little thicker than the covering material - would probably pull off with a heat gun and a little patience without damaging the paint or other surface underneath.

 

Another cl***ic example of ill informed bureaucrats justifying their payechecks by looking to create regs that will affect the very people they are supposed to be protecting.

I can ***ure you guys it aint any better or different down here. I wonder how much revenue will be raised by making sure all the body shop operators have the appropriate permits and licenses and training accreditatio to ensure a painter learns how to celan his friggin spraygun?

I agree eith rustynewyorker. It IS about controlling YOU and getting YOU to conform, for a profit of course.

A S S H O L E S

Rat

 

**** it , I'll wallpaper the sled.

 

choas10meter-Infamous Jake Jacobs beat you to it, and avoided any spray paint regulations too. His home made (modified 2 door sedan) Model A tub was painted with brushes and later he attached old pages of car magazines all over the body. Check out page 56 of Feb '08 issue of Rod&Custom.

 

One member in this thread mentioned the potential for automotive paint in the future to be avaialble by law only to certified painters with proper equipment. I've had thoughts about the government doing this to hobbiests. That's a flippin' joke! If guns, alcohol, ***, and drugs (all potentially lethal) can be easily bought anywhere here in the USA, illegal or not, then so can freakin' automotive paint! We'll get paint, and it will be easy. You think hot rodders are going to get into street corner gun fights over the sale of car paint? Nope.

Caffienated outburst.

Deluxe

 

**** the epa.

 

Then move.

 

I take that back.

Atleast we can still have firearms and such.

 

****ing goverment is losing controll of reality do there realize that this is going to screw alot of small people out of there jobs.not all of us can buy a fricking state of the art booth.i know mine is home made so i guess i will be ****ed. once more the goverment shooting down the little guy to help the big outfits


if they want us to use those watebased paints by 2010 they can kiss my *** any water base enviromental product ****s bad. i dought it will hold up in time like real paint.



what the hell was sema doing picking there nose. i like sema alot and they do some real good but wtf are they thinking.

 

There were gun control laws in Nazi germany.

And why are people more concerned about the enviroment than the economy? I think were closer to starving to death than burning alive.

 

A lot of good comments here, but as much as we ***** we can't stop it. We're a small minority in the scheme of things.

It's just one more thing to get around. Canada already reminds me more the communist East Germany I visited as a kid every day, as more and more activities go underground. Here it's mostly due to taxes and stupid bylaws.

Think of it this way. If you are in a residential sub-division in my city, you're not allowed to run a business out of your house, you have to declare all income and pay sales tax, you can't store toxic substances in large quan***ies, make excessive noise after a certain hour, **** you can't dig a hole without the city's permission. Do we sit at home and watch TV. No, we have hoists in our garages, run businesses out of our ba*****t, avoid taxes, store leaky parts cars, etc. It just means you can't flaunt it.

I do most deals at my kitchen table behind closed doors in cash with a hand shake no or use barter. Now that's progress for you. I'm glad we live in a "free" country.

 

Since I started this thread, SEMA worked with the EPA to exempt hobbyists from the new regs. They define hobbyist as someone who paints two cars (or the equivalent in parts) per year. You can thank SEMA for their work in looking out for our interests, because the NADA and several body shop ***ociations were the ones who got the EPA to include hobbyists in the first place

 

Does this mean that hobbyists are officially exempt from this, or just that SEMA is working on it?

It's a bleak future thinking that I will never get to paint a car again, or that if I do, it'll have to be with some ****py water-based paint that'll probably flake off two years later.

 

So a "hobbyist" can paint only up to 2 cars per year? Anything more and you need to conform. What say I paint a fender and 2 cars. Will that put me over the limit? Basically as long as I don't flaunt that I spray at least 5 full cars per year, then I can go on business as usual?

 

stupid stupid stupid stupid goverment. has anybody here used these new water born paints on a car. i heard they are picky as hell and don't cure worth a ****. well i sure hope the EPA pulls it head outta there ***es same with SEMA this certification **** really pisses me off

 

HAMBer Lobucrod started a thread earlier this month that has the full article from SEMA's website. The thread is ***led "Another reason to support SEMA" Hobbyists are exempt in the final form of the new regulations, and hobbyists are self-certified. They'll leave you alone if you don't open up a production shop at home or have neighbors who like to turn you in. Typically the enforcement of the regulations will fall to local agencies, so there could possibly be some real jerk code enforcement nazis in some places who could make it difficult for some, but if hotrodders just use common sense and clean up after themselves, it shouldn't be a problem. In a nutshell, you'll still be able to buy and use paint as you have in the past, unless you have a business, in which case you'll have to conform to the new regs.

 

It's like my dad always said:

"Life is like a **** sandwich, the more bread you have the less **** you have to eat."

 

No YOU can't!
You are not a Hobbyist, you run a business, therefore you have to comply with the full extent of the Law.

 

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OK guys and girls, I know there are a couple of threads already running about this; But I just got this reply from this fella about the regs. I had actually dug my way through the EPA website and posted a comment and question. Here for your reading enjoyment is his response!!! (I hope this works!!!!)

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Dear Mr. Wood,Thank you for your email regarding our recent National Emission Standardfor Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP) for Paint Stripping andMiscellaneous Surface Coating Operations at Area Sources.First of all, let me explain that EPA was under a court order ins***utethese standards. Secondly, as you will see in the ruling that I haveprovided below for you, the standard does not apply to surface coatingsor stripping performed by individuals on their personal vehicle,possessions or property, either as a hobby or for the maintenance oftheir personal vehicle possessions or property.This specific language can be found in Section III (A)(3) of theattachment. If you have further questions about this standard and itsapplication, please contact Ms. Kim Teal at (919) 541-5580 orteal.kim@epa.gov.Here is the ruling link:http://www.epa.gov/ttn/oarpg/t3/fr_notices/psmc_fr121407.pdfPatrick J. Egan, Communications CoordinatorAir Protection DivisionU.S. EPA - Region III1650 Arch StreetPhiladelphia, PA 19103ph: 215 814-3167fax: 215 814-2101e-mail: egan.patrick@epa.govOnly smoking causes more lung cancer than Radon. Isn't it time to testyour home?
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At the very most, I paint about 5-8 full cars per year. That includes parts, partial jobs, etc. I am not a bodyshop painting 100 per year and trying to get off on a technicality. The business that I do is not my primary source of income and is done on nights and weekends. It is a side business. Watch where you point your finger and worry about your own issues.

 

I'm with a lowandslow63, But under the letter of the regs you are a business. You said it...it's a side business. I too am worried about how this will effect the way I make my living!!!!

 

I think it'd be impossible for them to really keep track of this anyhow, unless your a full fledged business

 

I've said it before on this thread....just be carefull because this gives your neighbors teeth to get ya!!!! The EPA fines are not small!!! Be really carefull!!!!