modern fuel injection vintage looks

has anyone got any info on the mooneyes 97 efi's and where to buy? ive found some info on a few sites but i cant find a single dealer to even get a ball park price. ive looked at the dynatek racing setup and the likes but too expensive for my budget. im sure this pisses at least a few purists off on this board so sorry, just dont even reply.

i would like to build a 327 with a 3x2 intake running these mooneyes 97 efi's. if it turns out too expensive ill stick with carbs.

 

Uhh.........I'm guessing Moon sells them. Those things wouldnt fool Ray Charles, they look like ****.
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i've been researching them..

they do look like DOO DOO..

but thats not why I am staying away..
apparently mooneyes is the sole distributor, and apparently their customer service ****s

I believe a trip set up was over 2 grand..

so I am trying to figure out how I can make a megasquirt work.. and still have a vintage looking intake..

personally I will not settle for the look of 3 carbs..

 

sawzall has got it right, megasquirt and some old carbs for the throttle bodies. On a nailhead you can use some intake risers and hide the injectors underneath the manifold.

 

I would think the Megasquirt would be the best if you were running some sort of port fuel injection. My understanding of the Megaswuirt is limited (still reading, and I haven't built or installed one yet) but I understand B&G intended if for PFI as opposed to TBI. I'm sure someone has used it for TBI though, so. If I were going for vintage looks with EFI though, I would probably try an 8 stack type manifold (Hilborn, Algon, etc), or some kind of tunnel ram (and hide the injectors under it, like Z man suggested).

 

You just solved your own problem!

 

the Megasquirt will do either PFI or TBI... I did a TBI with one a few years back and it worked great. TBI is easier to hide with the right air cleaner.

 

I figured someone had, I remember reading they had PFI in mind when they were designing it though. Yeah, TBI should be easier to hide, it's pretty much the idea behind the M*** Flo setup as I understand it. That doesn't look too bad, if you hid the fuel rails, injectors and wires. If you want it to look like your running a 4 barrel anyway.

Anyone know of somone in particular that is running EFI that actually looks like a set of trips?

 

Long thread on the HAMB somewhere about a Euro HAMBer's install of the Moon system, and the subsequent headaches. MANY emails and months (years?) later, Moon and the system designer finally flew to Europe and helped him get it straight. Maybe only because he posted his problems on the HAMB. Otherwise he probably would have been stuck with $3000 worth of shiny trash.

 

Old & Homemade ..hummm

 

Hi: Was wondering if the blown flathead setup is yours? I'm heavily into blown flatheads - used to drag race a SCoT setup many years ago and will be building a 3-71 or 4-71 setup this winter. Was wondering the cubes of the engine, the blower drive ratio and the amount of boost that you're getting? What CAM setup? Is the block heaviliy ported/relieved . . . larger valves, etc? I'd kind of like to run a 3-71 in a trad setup (like Navarro did), but am wondering on the boost on a 284 cube motor.

Thanks in advance!

Dale

 

nitro

flatdogs coupe does look killer..

I had thought about a tunnel ram with hidden injectors.. not sure how it would work though..

I also was considering using TPI base intake and building some wacky tubes off of it, and creating something that would resemble the intake on the first bubble top that chris ito rendered for clark.



also.. as someone mentioned theres a company reworking hilborns for fuel injection..

I dont care for them simply because ANYONE can buy one....

I want something different.. and unique, YET capable of running electronics available anywhere (hence the hesitance to use a megasquirt)

 

using the throttle bodies from bikes could be done, check on ebay and you will see tons for cheap. this bubble car needs an electronic multiport hydrogen injection setup.

 

Flatdog know his stuff ..Coupe is not mine ..I wish I had that set up on my deuce

 

This is a modern FI system. The individual injectors are in the runners from the log manifold to the head underneath. Most of the sensors are hidden at the back of the manifold. I bet hundreds of people look at it and never know. I couldn't tell exactly how many ****erflies were actually operational. The TPS sensor was mounted on the linkage at the back. The black hat behind the thermo housing is the fuel pressure regulator.

I've never seen a commercial FI unit for an old engine that looked even close to right.

 

Throttle Body Injection,TBI,doesn't need big ugly fuel rails,
the injectors sit above the throttle body.Same as GM used
on their TBI motors.A decent air filter will hide the whole thing.

Could be used with 1 bbl, 2 bbl, 4 bbl,and multiples.

 

I can not tell a lie.My kid built the FI setup.

 

do you really need the fuel rails?, cant you just run lines to each injector?

 

Yes you could run an individual line to each injector, if you were hiding the injectors that would help. most systems put the injectors in plain view though, so it looks cool till you get there (the injector) kind of thing.

Yes I should have specified, I was talking about the Mas Flo system which is PFI, I didn't differentiate though, my bad. It is the closest I have seen to a commercially available setup that doesn't look like EFI. If you hid the injectors, harness and lines you could almost pull it off. If you had a drop base air cleaner, the right intake (to help hide all the stuff), etc. But it would still look like a 4 bbl.

One of the selling points of M*** Flo is their claim that all their hardware is OE. So in theory, if you smoked the computer (or anything else) you should be able to go to the nearest NAPA (or any other brand) and get a replacement. How true that is, I don't know.

Just to be clear, I do not work for, or have any relation to anyone in the M*** Flo organization.

 

I'm running a single Mooneyes TBI on a Model A engine using an Ansen single down draft intake. Installation was easy and I was able to get it running with help from a Moon tech guy over the phone. Still having problems with cold starts. However, once it's warmed up, it runs great. It's been on my car for at least three years and at 50 feet, looks like a '97. In fact, got the Goodguys Period Perfect at Scottsdale a couple of years ago.

 

Should have known that was FlatDog's! I must have had too much Turkey on the brain!

 

anyone else have other thoughts on adapting efi to a vintage engine? in a way that doesnt look like POOP?

 

Here's the post from Big Jungle Jim on his Moon EFI saga:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84496&highlight=moon+injection

Here's a follow-up after it got fixed:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88590&highlight=moon+injection

While I like the idea of modern EFI, I don't like the aesthetics at all...

 

This is the prototype of our newest TBI setup. Uses real 97s with everything self contained.TPS, injector and a new idle adjustment feature (smooth or lumpy) are all in the carb body.Pressure regulator can be remote mounted (to hide).20% more air flow than stock. One will feed up to 146 HP(normally aspirated) Can be as many or few carbs as wanted or space allows.
Gemini EFI

 

Here my veiw on this. Make your own setup. a 3x1,3x2,6x1 or 6x2 would be the easiest way in my eyes. Im a GM guy so forgive me if your not. the principal is the same. If you cant burn your own chips yet there is plenty of support my route as well. I would start out with a GM 1227148 ECM @$30 or a 1227749 ECM @$50. the 749 runs at the faster 160 Baud rate and is capable of more control(****** controller, ABS, flame thrower on decell or accell, NOS Whatever your heart desires. Both are faster than mega squirt. and descrete scaners can be had for both. Both have a higher resolution than ANY aftermarket EFI controller. THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR DRIVABILITY!!!!!!!!!. yes both of these are V-6 ECMS but can be made batchfire and laid in a TBI platform it would not make any difference. these systems would also use a small cap HEI and exteranl coil for an old look(with the right plug wires). just needs the correct sized (or close)injectors hidden in the carbs or under the intake. to retain the Calpack function used for limp mode. Thats where Id start but then again Im not normal

 

very nice!!!!! thats on the lines of my thinking there


Only thing I see where it will have a problem is the connectors. I would go with some minipacs. besides the black would be a little more discrete as well. and weather/humidityproof

 

Man! I burned a few brain cells reading this one. Please-o-please sit down and do a detailed tech thread for us!...I'll buy you a burrito. I'd be interested in a 3-Stromberg / Holley for my Flattie, or a 6-Stromberg / Holley for my Olds 324.

 

When? Price?

 

Me too!, I have a mercedes M-100 running Bosch nmechanical injection,( 8 plunger pump ,$48,000 for a new one ) and a more modern injection system will be necessary if the price of fuel keeps rising.
The ECM's you mention,can be bought at that price form GM? .

On the question of injection lines,theres lots of info on the megasquirt site outlining the fitting of hard individual lines to injectors ,plus some good info on sizing.
Also,it must remembered that carb intakes are WET. Injection manifolds are designed differently because the gas flow is DRY. it's a different dynamic . Power gains can be attained by remembering this and siting injectors in an appropriate place.