Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, using water base paint on their ride? I did a search but couldn't find anything water base paint.
Auto Air Colors are supposed to work well. I will be using them the day I have my first reaction to isocyanate catalyst.
in 2008 water base is the only thing you will able to buy in stores. it sprays good u can have different air pressure and different distance and the outcome will still be the same the bad is you will need extra equipment to spay it. can't use your regular down draft booth
not all states are water base only, I'm pretty sure just california. you also need a new gun with all stainless insides, plus they still havent come out with a water base clear
Thats because the first time it rains on it, the car will end up in bare metal! Haven't you ever played with kids paint kits?
I sprayed a fender with some water-based paint at a training course a while back. It's not bad, but it is different than solvent based paint. They do recommend a gun with a smaller tip size. I think it was 1.2 or 1.3. You can use the same old down draft booth but it takes a lot more air flow to dry the water-based paint so you need to have blow guns set up on a stand or extra fans inside the booth. Europe is already converted to water-based. So more information is available from the European paint manufacturers. Dupont also does have a line of water-based paint called Cromax. The one I will eventually be switching to is Standohyd from Standox. Check out the links for more info. http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/ca/html/CromaxPro/cromaxmicro.html http://www.standox.co.uk/portal/en?...ories_and_Details&category=Passenger+Vehicles
i've used Auto Air Colors exclusively since jan '06 for motor bikes, helmets and race cars and i LOVE it. but i also took the time to LEARN HOW TO USE IT PROPERLY.
the future is looking grim soon we will be making shady paint deals in dark alleys just to score the good shit smuggled in from mexico!!
Maybe that's the key. I've seen a few things done with what eastwood sells and wasn't impressed by the color depth or intensity.
fyi," classic trucks or custom classic trucks", magazine did a story on it about 1 1/2 -2 years ago , don't help much
I heard that is actually worse for your health than solvent based paint. Don't know how much truth there is to it.
If it's really ONLY water base, like house paint has been for a while, does/will it still require multi-thousand dollar spray booths to be sprayed, legally?
the thing is, is that people think that just because there are no iso-cyanides its OK to spray and spray with no breathing aparatus/respirator. that CAN be dangerous depending on all the variables... while a product like AutoAir is non toxic and has like 0 VOC, its still an airborne foriegn substance. me thinks that breathing lots of ANYTHING can be dangerous....espescially the air in Los Angeles the short answer is YES for a professional facility. the paint still has binder and pigment that can 'pollute' when sprayed in mass quantity and volume. PLUS it still needs to be cleared. no single stage water paints that i know of.
It's definately different. Yes the air is key. Does dry hard and won't "wash off" with water after it's set but will come off with alcohol or DX 394 cleaner from PPG. Wash hard enough water will take it off, I'd bet on metallics it would make a difference like a "blush" if it was wiped with water after it's set. Overall I'm not ready for it. I been doin this shit since my very early teens and I'm 50 now. We just refinished a car in lacquer for the upcoming concours season. I was told PPG hasn't changed their clear lacquer formula in over 30yrs and it worked just like it always did. Came out looking exactly as we expected. In colder regions it's going to be a problem even with heated booths and such. Canada has been struggling with it for a while. Perhaps just PPG Canada...just posting info from our PPG rep.
i wouldnt worry about everything going to waterbase paint... some insiders have told me that actually UV paint is on the way..... (which will require UV booths) shops are already using UV primer to a limited extent...
i use auto air all the time air brushing graphics, in does not cover very well in my opinion in large area instances. it also has a tendancy to want to fade due to uv exposure so if you do use it there is a uv protectent you can add to your clear or use a uv proof clear. i'll get the info for you tomorrow, it's cold here and i am not going outside in shorts.
not really...all that means is you need uv light to dry the paint, you can get your hands on uv lamps all day long anywhere.
i herd that by 2009 or 2011 you have to be a dealer or a shop to buy paint , i don't know if that was in calif. or everyware
you can go to any street corner in any big city or small town and buy your illegal drug of choice. i think the average joe will still be able to buy thier paint from somewhere pretty easilly. make freinds with someone who owns a shop.
Try this if you want to learn a few things about waterborne basecoat, click the links, you can even print tech sheets. BTW the Maybachs and Roll royces are all Hand Sprayed using waterborne basecoat www.basfrefinish.com/90line
so are Mercedes, BMW, etc.... well maybe not hand sprayed, but the euros are WAAAYYY ahead of us with the waterborne....
the place were i work is going to go with the ppg fleat line for the time being because you are still alowed to spary with it and they are not going to drop that line im not sure how but thats what the repp said does this make sence ?
And they're considered "ahead" of us because...? Sorry for that, maybe. I never did care for that ideal that they're ahead and we should do as they do. Not just on paint but overall. There are ALWAYS alternatives. Better control of vapors, personal safety, bio-degradable solvents, high efficiency equipment. Sometimes big industry gets stuck on certain ideas and won't look for anything else. Before long it's law and we as a people with a chosen craft and activity get "stuck" as well...right where we DON'T want
I'm keeping an eye on all the water based stuff. I may go ahead and try some on something at the shop just to see. It's the way things are going and I try to be environmentally conscious. I'd be really pissed if any of my neighbors were painting more than the occasional car in their garage. Getting your water from a well will make you think twice about that stuff....
I work closely with DuPont and all of their guys are telling me the waterborne paint is a California-only deal for the time being. The EPA has it`s eyes on Texas and everyone is expecting that Texas will lower it`s limits on allowable VOC`s, but not anytime real soon. I do have a customer, here in Texas, that changed over to BASF waterborne paint about 2 years ago. They did it mostly because the BASF rep was trying to scare the shit out of them, warning about EPA standards and such. They are not real satisfied with the product and are planning on going back to solvent-based paint sometime soon.
Automotive Grade water based performs a bit better than auto air,which some say sprays grainy...Air Movement is the key and those mini air guns work, but will keep your compressor running..House of Kolor basecoats will stay solvent based.. low voc..The water out there works well enough..color matching sucks cause you have to wait for the product to dry 100% as the color changes as it dries..Forget stick match and don't forget the base still needs to be clearcoated so your back with the isocyanides..A bit more to get adjusted to..and will be a hassle in low temp areas without heat..I could only imagine UV paint to be totally expensive as the UV putty is well over a 150 a QT...
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