Expect the classifieds to pick up the next few months... (O/T?)

Ditto Brad .........
Casey you better have some cool stuff at the round-up swap meet to sell lol..............

 

As soon as eBay owns 51% or all of Craigslist it will be done away with or they will start charging fees. Everything eBay touches goes down the drain. They bought Paypal and now it totally stands behind buyers and screws sellers. The new feedback rules will also be good for buyers and screw sellers. eBay will turn into a store front for the big time sellers selling import ****.

 

truer were were never spoken.

 

the law is seller beware based "caveat venditor", not buyer beware "caveat emptor".

any business wants to protect it's buyers, 'cause they generate the revenue. not the seller if you think about it.


Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware". Generally caveat emptor is the property law doctrine that controls the sale of real property after the date of closing.


[edit] Explanation
Under the doctrine of caveat emptor, the buyer could not recover from the seller for defects on the property that rendered the property unfit for ordinary purposes. The only exception was if the seller actively concealed latent defects. The modern trend in the US, however, is one of the Implied Warranty of Fitness that applies only to the sale of new residential housing by a builder-seller and the rule of Caveat Emptor applies to all other sale situations (i.e. homeowner to buyer).(See Stambovsky v. Ackley, 572 N.Y.S.2d 672 (N.Y. App. 1991)) Many other jurisdictions have provisions similar to this.

Before statutory law, the buyer had no warranty of the quality of goods. In many jurisdictions, the law now requires that goods must be of "merchantable quality". However, this implied warranty can be difficult to enforce, and may not apply to all products. Hence, buyers are still advised to be cautious.

In addition to the quality of the merchandise, this phrase also applies to the return policy. In most jurisdictions, there is no legal requirement for the vendor to provide a refund or exchange. In many cases, the vendor will not provide a refund but will provide a credit. In the case of software, movies and other copyrighted material many vendors will only do a direct exchange for another copy of the exact same ***le. Most stores require proof of purchase and impose time limits on exchanges or refunds. However, some larger chain stores will do exchanges or refunds at any time with or without proof of purchase- although they usually require a form of picture ID and place quan***y or dollar limitations on such returns.

Laidlaw v. Organ, a decision written in 1817 by Chief Justice John Marshall, is believed by scholars to have been the first U.S. Supreme Court case which laid down the rule of caveat emptor in U.S. law.

In the UK, consumer law has moved away from the caveat emptor model, with laws p***ed that have enhanced consumer rights and allow greater leeway to return goods that do not meet legal standards of acceptance (Trader's Guide to Civil Law. Trading Standards. Retrieved on 2007-11-29.) Many companies operating in the UK will allow customers to return goods within a specified period for a full refund, even if there is no problem with the product.


[edit] Caveat venditor
Caveat venditor is Latin for "let the seller beware". It is a counter to caveat emptor, and suggests that sellers too can be deceived in a market transaction. This forces the seller to take responsibility for the product, and discourages sellers from selling products of unreasonable quality.

In the landmark case of MacPherson v. Buick Motor Co. (1916), New York Court Appeals Judge Benjamin N. Cardozo established that privity of duty is no longer required in regard to a lawsuit for product liability against the seller. This case is predominantly regarded as the origin of caveat venditor as it pertains to modern tort law in US.

if you are really up for some fun reading...

http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/archives/macpherson_buick.htm

 

I guess I like to think that a business, and lets talk about vintage, old time, hot rodding here, just to narrow the focus slightly, exists for more than to rake in profit. If your days upon this earth are given over entirely to profit as defined, aren't you missing something?
Is the exchange of green pieces of paper all there is? If you bring something of value to another person, then there is exchange and a relationship.
A transaction can be as little, or as much, as you (as a seller) wish to provide. Recalling something about International Marketing and Fleabay: An ins***ution exists, for the sole purpose of thwarting it's own goal!

 

How hard would it be for Ryan to do an auction on this site? i would much rather the commission go to him and keep the good parts in our community

 

I've been selling full time for 4 years and 9 months. mostly car junk. ebay has come up with more stupid changes than I can even remember, but the no negatives for buyers has to be the worst one yet.

the thinking is that buyers are leaving in droves due to poor sellers and outright scam artists with fake listings on stolen accounts. so in order to make it better for buyers, they are screwing the sellers. on the ebay discussion boards there were several thousand replys to posts about these new changes. many were emtying thier paypal account, closing thier stores and letting thier current auctions end and not coming back.

what a mess.

 

here's another great idea from the idiots at ebay. if you have had a problem in the past and are deemed a poor seller ebay/paypal will hold your funds until the buyer has left feedback or 21 days has p***ed.

what's a poor seller in ebays mind? if 5% of your transactions ended with an unhappy buyer via a negative feedback or a item not as described or not recieved complaint in the last 90 days you are a poor seller. so if you are a low volume seller 2 problems could put you on the list.

what ebay forgets is that most sellers start off slow and work thier way up, so they will be screwing any new blood that comes in and has a troubled transaction. who's going to continue selling after being screwed over?

bunch of idiots over there. I re entered the 9-5 workforce just in time. I truly think I am done for good.

 

maybe it's time to revive Midnight Motors... which was kind of an ebay Motors clone, but run by a HAMBer

 

I'd love to go anywhere besides ebay. I have some great deals where I can get parts often under dealer cost. I remember listing a new racing shock. $40 was the highest bid I received. I paid over $100 for it and that was below normal dealer cost. It got to the point that if it sold more than cost ebay and paypal fees didn't leave any profit if not a small loss.

 

Your absolutly right! I do the same thing. Sometimes new and improved isn't. I still can't find stuff I used to look at all the time.

 

Well living in Europe, I need Ebay, just to find the parts I need. And it doesn't matter that the part cost double what it'd cost at a swap-meet. It's still cheaper than flying over the Atlantic and then spending weeks trawling through miles of 60ies stuff, I don't want. That's why it's still cheaper for me to pay top dollar for the parts I need on Ebay.com

Ryan, you too could be worth $6million in a few years if you took up the slack in the market. Think about it.

Ed

 

the site can **** all day long... and the fees can go up..

but people will STILL use it... its a fact

 

heres question O/T ,why won't Germans ship ebay stuff out of Germany? .I have often tried to buy stuff on egay.de but have been blocked because the seller says it's too difficult..doesn't sell overseas or what ever.

 

The new E-Bay, brought to you by the same guy that came up with new Coca-Cola.

 

I appreciate the heads up on some of that stuff. I used to sell a lot on ebay but have backed off due to increased costs. It used to be ok to sell something for a few bucks but now the sale needs to be significant or you have to jack someone on shipping in order to make it worthwhile.

Ebay is forgetting that it is not just the costs that become prohibitive, but my time is also worth something. If it costs me too much to list small items than I will no longer take the time to take a photo, write an ad, converse regarding questions, pack the item, ship the item, etc. It is easier in the end to just pitch the item in the trash and then no one wins.

The problem is that ebay DOES continue to grow at a m***ive pace. As long as that continues to happen, ebay will continue to fuss with it to eliminate both h***le and lower profits on their end.

It is an unfortunate result of success.

I still try to find cool old stuff there and there is still cool old stuff to be had...

 

There was a guy on here asking for a name for his new auction site. I saw an opportunity and told him to hit Ryan up and see if we could get one going here at the HAMB, maybe incorporating it into the HAMB. We could totally take eBay Motor's business away.

Here's the thread:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235680

~Jason

 

This is sort of the natural progression of big business over time and ebay seems to be no different really. The shine is definitely wearing off and people will find alternates to what they do. As a buyer, I have really grown pretty tired and bored with ebay for quite a long while. They could and should do a lot better, but their gigantic corporate size and need to keep their stock holders happy at any cost will probably keep them from really doing anything truly good at this point. They need to cater to high profit middle of the road **** to maximize income. That is just the sad depressing reality of big business in the USA. Plus at lot of the changes to the site functionally and graphically lately are just plain bad and seem to be getting even worse. It is harder to use now and uglier than it has ever been. Now, this is just my lamo personal opinion, but that is how I see it.

 

From what I've read Ebay growth has slowed right down and that is what the changes are about. I used to buy a lot of books on there at one stage but the quality ones I'm after just aren't getting listed anymore. Ebay isn't going to go away and has the name recognition that it would be near impossible to push it out but I do think it is going to change and maybe small independant retailers like myself may start getting some market share back.
Re Ryan doing a auction it simply wouldn't be viable. You need millions of viewers to get something like that up and going. I do think that if more guys keep coming here and joining up just to sell some restrictions may need to be brought in. Maybe only members who have been on here for a year or more and have a certain number of posts.

 

I don't hate Ebay. I don't like it either. I have bought things that I would have never found locally from guys who would have kept it in their ba*****ts forever if not for the 'Bay. And Maybe the prices would not have gone up to astonishing if it wasn't there either.
That said, If anyone was worried that people would come here just to sell and exploit the Hamber and ruin the "family kind of at***ude" that makes the Hamb a great place, then maybe Ryan could ins***ute a policy where a person could not use the cl***ifieds until a "probationary" period has been fulfilled. That would have to mean that, say 100 posts on the normal HAMB board before you would be eligible to list for sale adds, provided that your posts have contributed to the board. In other words not "HAHAHA" or "cool" (which is usually what my post are. HMMMMMM??) after a bunch of others have said the same, just to boost the count. Real posts offering help or asking for it. In other words till the administrators say you're an OK guy and give you clearance. Maybe this is stupid. Maybe not.

 

i wasn't thinking of it as an addition to the HAMB. but, as a separate site all together. although maybe it could start as and addition to the HAMB. keep the cl***ifieds like they are just add this to it. it wouldn't be an easy task to start i'm sure. but it could be done.

 

Sure E-bay has really hurt swap meets and probably Hemmings. I have to admit I'm as guilty as the next guy for not wanting to load stuff up for a swap meet and then bring it home if it doesn't sell cause it's easier to take a picture and let it sit till it sells. It has enabled us to find parts that we never would have located without it. I 'm sure you will agree it is a major reason some parts are as expensive as they are. I have my share of complaints about E-bay and the HAMB too for that matter, but until something better comes along, I will probably continue with both.

 

great idea, but, we're not all in austin, tx.

 

I sell and buy on both Ebay and swap meets. Here too.
It costs me roughly $150-200 for one Pomona show..Spaces, fuel, food, beer, etc.
if I actually take ALOT of stuff, I usually make 4-800 in sales. Sometimes less.
So if I made even $1000, about 15-20% goes to expenses, never mind the original cost of the parts.
I could sell $2000 on ebay, and with their 8% Fees, It would cost roughly the same as going to the swapmeet.
In reality, I typically put things on Ebay that I know will sell, and they do. I take stuff to the swap that should sell, and are usually too big or heavy to ship, and bring most of it back. Sometime I don't sell enough to pay for the spot. $50!!
You can already see that in this case Ebay is more of a sure thing, and can be used every day, all year,
where there are a couple of good swaps local each month, or 4 or 5 in the summer months.
I hate the new changes though, but I cannot stop using it right now.
I love the swaps, because it is just in my nature to scrounge around for stuff. I wont stop that either.
I would have no problem paying to sell on the HAMB, either.

 

can i be the first to say "**** Ebay" yeah that feels better..
i have no more input to say other than i agree with everyone and some good points and options have been mentioned..Egay's new format blows as well
its time for a change to something better so maybe or hopefully some good will come out of all this...

 

www.autoshopcl***ics.com has tried but no one ever seems to go there

 

E What? I have become so HAMB addicted I never seem to have the time to even bother looking at it anymore. And as far as selling, I love all my old **** so much I won't sell it until the auction I won't be at!

 

I have been a powerseller on ebay since 1998, that's almost ten years now.

I want to say that ebay has been ******* in their own food supply for quite some time now, and they are quite proud of it.

Sellers like you and I are considered too small to matter, so our dissappearance will not bother them. It makes them feel like big shots to think that way.

The only thing that may force them to treat people fairly will be farther down the road when their food dish gets so foul that even they can't stomach it.
Until then, they will keep on ******* in their food bowl and ignoring the funny taste while they pat themselves on the back for their great new ideas.

I have been watching an auction site called WAGGLEPOP.COM
They seem to be like the former ebay that most of us liked.
Too bad they don't have enough public exposure, or shopper traffic yet. I sure hope they survive and thrive.


Last night I called my ebay PowerSeller phone number.
The eBay people on the other end of the powerseller phone line told me that the feedback changes that will not allow a seller to to leave anything but positive feedback about a buyer will take effect probably sometime in May. I hope I had an operator that knew what he was doing.

They do acknowledge on the phone that they do not want any sellers to be be able to warn others about a rotten buyer.

They "want the buyers to feel more confidant" they said to me.

I often have buyers tell me that I should throw in free parts or extra items so they can tell people how great I am, or I will get a negative from them if I don't add on free stuff.
Yeah, lets make people like that feel even more daring.

I NEVER NEVER cooperate with someone like that. It is ONLY the realization that I can leave them a negative right back that prevents them from having teeth in their threats.

eBay wants to remove that incentive for people to act civilized, so it looks like I may just wander off, and go back to fixing up houses again.

eBay is determined to remove anything that may inhibit a buyer from committing feedback sabotage, chargeback fraud, thrteatening sellers for free items, or just kicking the dog and screaming at the waitress when they are having a bad day.

Think of the field day that otherwise polite buyers will have when they discover they can throw rocks, steal items, threaten you in the hopes of getting extra freebies, and that no one can say anything about it.
eBay is quite proud of this new idea.

ebay had already ins***uted that goofy star rating idea where they encourage people to sabotage the ratings anonymously, and now they want to take it much further.

Gas prices too high? UPS too expensive? Make yourself feel better by anonymously dumping on a sellers' star rating on shipping costs.
take that... ooh that felt goood... lets vandalize something else and slink away like a weasel...

I think eBay has been hiring kids just out of college who know nothing about the world outside the twilight zone of the cl***room.
They come there with childish schoolboy visions of what they want their world to look like. Steal the bubblegum without the shopkeeper being able to tell their mom, soap the neighbors windows and they can't tell the parents,
TO MAKE THE PERFECT WORLD AS A CHILD SEES IT ......

I hope places like WAGGLEPOP.COM (what a dumb name) get more exposure so people can have a better place to go.

 

"but at least it's free. Again same deal, you'll be weeding through a lot of not what you want posts to find what you do want."
Nope....it ain't gonna happen. If it doesn't fit our traditional values, it gets dumped. We're not changing our values to fit anybody else so the guys selling all the plastic **** will simply have their ads deleted. Also, when they figure out we dont' buy that kinda ****, they'll simply go away.

 

The same reason half the US buyers block me from bidding 'cos I'm foreign. I guess they're all worried about being spammed. It's happened several times where I've put in a sum on Phantombidder only to find out afterwards, that I was blocked and the piece went for a quarter of what I'd have paid. Now I alwys put in a testing bid, just to see if I'm blocked or not. Oh and mostly I only bid where the seller offers Paypal. Western Union Money orders cost about $35 over here !!!!! It's short-sighted though. A foreigner will often pay double simply because it's the only way he can get some things.
P.S. If you're still interested in buying in Germany, get in touch. We could help each other out. I bid for your stuff here and you bid on stuff where I am blocked.

Ed