Have you considered making a box for the Propane carb to sit in ? I've done this on a draw though carb setup with CV carbs on a motorcycle. The equal pressure inside and outside the carb stops the leaks - this was pretty common with early 80's carbed turbo motorbikes.
Yeah sorry, brain fade. Yup we used to build a box to go right around the carbs on old Jap UJM's and pressurize the whole lot, it avoided the strangeness you're getting now. I might have been thinking of something we turboed once that had a draw through using an SU carb, it blew up a lot and wasn't very successful. Paul
Does anyone know if a complete Garret turbo set up off of a Volkswagon diesel rabbit will work on a '57 ford inline six? I'm really starting to get intrigued about runnin' a turbo setup on a F100 pickup I'm gonna be getting. From what I've gathered from the rest of posts in this thread, the diesel turbos would work well as they spool up at lower RPM's. Is this the case? Thanks, and let's keep this thread a rollin'. -Levi G-
it would work but it'd be too small and would choke the engine. What you need to do it find whats called a compressor map - these give efficiency numbers for various turbos and you can compare airflow with the requirments of your six. Do some google searches, there is a huge amount of info on turbo selection out there.
Are turbos traditional? First you have to know what it is! There seems to be a lot of confusion between turbos and centrifugal superchargers. If it is driven by exhaust gas, (not gears, shafts or belts), then it's a turbo! Secondly, It has to be done regularly. It is not a tradition, if it was rarely done!.........so, NO! Turbos are not traditional on hot rods.
geez, glad you came here to straighten us out..... I don't care if it's "traditional" so long as its bad ass!
Hey, while ya'll are deciding if turbos are traditional, I'm going to keep having fun with mine.. <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PRIIOWQCPT8&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PRIIOWQCPT8&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> when a consensus is reached please let me know... Brian
Not an old car, but the GT47-88 T6 flanged turbo in my 98 Formula, makes 867rwhp (1000 crank) with 25 psi and a 8:1 LS1 engine. I think turbo stuff is a labor of love and am not sure I would ever do one again:
I hope I don't sound like an idiot - that looks cool but where is the pressure to the carb coming from? There is no hoses going from the turbos to the intake?
Question... Christmas comes ONCE a year since it was "started" and is considered traditional. If someone has been installing a turbo ONCE a year, in a car (presumably to increase performance and not just for a decoration) since it's birth, wouldn't that be a traditional performance part? The definition of Traditional is open to interpretation, as are many other things in the universe. It's already been proven they were used early on in racing and in other areas of automotive performance. This constant struggle to determine what is traditional and what is not has really gotten out of hand. BTW... this is not a shot at anyone.
OH shit! El polacko is about to show people WTF is up! He's got a beautiful truck, and if some of you noobs start spouting off about how turbos aren't traditional then I think you all need to do a bit more reading. El Polacko, please keep us updated with pics! Your truck is second to none!
This is the best discussion of tradition I've seen here. I think two traditions are getting rolled into one. It is possible to build a car in the tradition of cars that were built at a certain moment in history. The problem is that it was only a moment until the tradition moved on. The whole '40s,'50s,'60s thing didn't exist. In '49 they didn't say we cant do this any more. It was a flow. Old cars were changed or discarded when new stuff was available or old stuff was no longer plentiful or competitive. A good example of this are the many Bonneville cars that have have gone through many changes and are still raced. The other tradition is the one of the approach we take in building our cars. Improving their performance, handling and appearance to fit our needs by using what we can get. The problem is we don't all have the same needs. We do seem to have a connection with that older (traditional) look and a need to be individual enough that we can tell our cars apart after the beer drinking is done. A problem here is that we came to this at different times from different places so our idea of that look isn't the same. As for turbos, if they were there someone used used them in the quest for more speed and that's the tradition that came first. Without the need for speed there would not have been decades of hot cars to stir our souls. Build 'em,drive 'em and take pride in being a part of this!
six ball hit the nail on the head. tradional is simply yesterday's contemporary. stop playing on you computers and build something.
I love turbos, most people know that. If you are scared to run outside the line of traditionalism by running a turbo, then maybe turbos just aren't your thing. If you could care less about being period correct then spool away my friend. I recently built a cute little turbo manifold for a Y-block Ford, mated to a single quick spooling T3 turbo with some "upgrades" I'm still contemplating using it, but atleast I have it if I ever decide to run with it. I'd have to re-work the motor to utilize the most of the turbo, but it's hard to go that route when a rail of 2-pot carbs and open zoomies just looks so cool. PS: Steve, I can't wait to see your truck. Oops I crapped my pants.
El Polacko, How would you rate your experience with VS racing? I think one of those MP t70's would pair nicely with my little 341 DeSoto. Also, what A/R did you go with on the exhaust side?
Viren treated me well. I had an issue with some of the V-band clamps and it took a couple of Emails, pictures and a phone conversation to resolve it but he did take them back. I have some store credit with him and want to get a few things. The A/W intercooler I got from him leaks internally. He didn't make it and then I modified it to fit my application but the core itself leaks. Not thrilled but I should be able to make something work out of it Overall, buy from him if you want to run the MP's or the Borg Warner S series big singles. Good pricing and very reliable shipping.
Traditional rodders (though I claim myself to be one) often forget that innovation is traditional. the 40s and 50s were full of experiments. there was a 32 roadster built by an engineer at lockheed in 1952 that was TURBINE powered the problem is that average Joe couldn't make this happen so it didn't gain much popularity. I myself have wanted to use a GE turbo supercharger (from a p-38 or b-24) on a straight six powered belly tanker. that way it would be different yet using period parts. when I was in high school my friends and I put two garrett t-24s towardthe rear of my exhaust on my 64 barracuda and fed it back through a crossram inspired intake so that it looked high performance but was non descript enough to be written off by a five minute glance. it made enough boost to losen the bolts on my intake manifold. Motor tricks are cool, no matter what you do. blend form and function and make it work good and look cool. after all that's what this is all about right? don't limit what you want to do by what others are doing. it seems to me a 12 second turbo powered mobel a would be way cooler than a stock flathead powered A that's so low you can't drive it that fast if you could.
Here is a little side project, been working on my dad's Y block with a vintage RotoMaster Turbo... Still got a lot of finishing up to do... --reed
In Roger Huntington's book,How to Hop Up Chevrolet & GMC Engines,there is a section beginning on page 115 on the Besasie exhaust-turbo supercharger. It was made by Besasie Engineering Co. of Milwaukee. Bob Besasie ran on on his '40 Chevy for 157,000 miles with a top speed of 100MPH. It was introduced in '49. The book published in '51. They made 155 HP in a '51 Chevy powerglide 235,with a potential of 250 HP or more! Traditional? He sold 'em, somebody used 'em! I'd like to have one!
google s.c.o.t. blowers and mucholloch superchargers tons of sites out there on em ...got more than a few saved in my fav's.cant find out where they are because i got over 700 favorites,all car related good luckl finding info,troy
That's good to hear. The tax return is coming soon and that sounds like a good thing to use it on. I plan to run a blow-through setup. I think a Stude R2 carb inlet would do the trick in getting the air to the engine.
This set up above is a draw throu system...another words if you ran the forced air into the carb you would build a sheetmetal box around the carb with your linkage sticking throu gromets....the reason for this is the carb leaks air when forced air induction is introduced...you also have to run lower compression pistons and advance your timing....I can walk you right through it if you want....message me
With a little help, my uncle apparently built his own Turbocharger sometime in the mid 60's, which doesn't surprise me because the guy's a certified welder and my Grandpa was a caster who made jet engines for a living.. I was wondering the same thing though, a pretty cool thread.
Not exactly a HAMBer, but there was a 10 second '67 Camaro with rear-mounted turbo on Pinks the other night. Very traditional looking for a '67.
Anyone see the pics of the sleeper/muscle car a while back that ran twin turbos under the floor pan? Sleeper to say the least.
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