I have a budy who just bought a 1967 chevy c10 fleetside pick up. He has a bill of sale from the previous owner. He is trying to obtain a ***le from Txdot, and they are telling him that he has to pay taxes on $14000 to $21000 because it is considered a CL***IC Vehicle. Well He has contacted a ***le company and they only want a $120 to get a ***le, ****ttttttt TXDOT calls him and tells him taht he has to pay the high *** taxes mentioned above. Is this total ******** or is it true? I have never heard of this before. Any suggestions? all help is appreciated. Will
Texas has recently instated what amounts to a property tax on vehicle purchases. It is largely aimed at used cars under 20 years old that were being sold on paper for su****iously low prices. Now they tax those cars at the average retail value, rather than the actual sales price. My understanding is that it can be contested on a case by case basis, but I haven't read up on it yet. While it is TxDot doing this, it is being driven through the tax ***essor/collector in each county. I suggest you start with a phone call to them and be armed with photos of the actual truck. If it isn't in restored condition, I don't see how they can hold it to those values. I'll read up and post back anything interesting. EDIT: Found this... http://www.txdot.gov/services/vehicle_***les_and_registration/std_presumptive_value.htm I see an exception for vehicles 25 yrs old or older. Nothing apparent on cl***ic cars. And this: http://window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxpubs/tx96_1219.pdf
WHAT!? I hope not.. I need to get my truck ***led. I heard a rumor that since people were cheating on the tax, they started using a blue book to get their tax amount, but I haven't tried. My sister just got a '62 galaxie, and I went and transfered it and there was no problem. Her boyfriend just got a '56 Ford p/u and hasn't transfered it yet.. we'll see what happens to him.
He should be able to get a bonded ***le for now, then transfer it to a real ***le down the road. My friend had to get 2 appraisals for his truck before they would issue his bonded ***le since he didn't get a ***le when he bought it. Here's the form he had to have filled out. According to the site, they only require 1 appraisal now. ftp://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/vtr/rtb/2007/010-attach1.pdf
I understand them wanting to get their tax money. Although when you have a bill of sale for $800 bucks and have to trailer the truck home, when it has not been ***led in quiet a few years, I think they are freakin STUPID. He is contacting the local tax ***essor in the morning to see waht the whole deal is. The lady at TxDot told him he has to have an adjuster or somone who gives vehicle values come out take pictures and give an estimate on value, and then they will use the value of the Estimate to determine his taxes. I just have never ever heard of this before. I almost feel he should just file a mechanics lein on it since he knows the guy he bought he bought it from, and get it for the price of the mechanics lein. Although I am sure that process has changed by now too. Thanks for the help guys
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/services/vehicle_***les_and_registration/std_presumptive_value.htm Vehicles NOT Subject to Standard Presumptive Value Taxation New vehicles Vehicles purchased from licensed dealers Vehicles 25 years old or older Off-road vehicles, such as dirt bikes or all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) Salvage or abandoned vehicles (except rebuilt salvage vehicles) Vehicles sold through a mechanic or storage lien Vehicles given as gifts Even-trade vehicles, when vehicles of equal value are swapped by the owners
Yup thanks Crease I just found that as well. He is going to TX dot first thing in the morning and ripping NEW ***!!! He is pissed right now. I can't blame him though. Thanks for the help guys , I just wasn't finding the pages I needed fast enough, but was kinda hard having him on the phone yakkin in my ear while I was lookin for it lol He thanks you guys for the help as well, he spends a tremendous amount of time on the road and in and out of ranches, but doesn't always have the time to sit at a computer for very long. So he says thanks to all you guys who have helped out. He will be singing up on Garage Journal before long as he has nothing older than his '67 chevelle and now the '67 C 10. Although his cousin jus tbought a pretty cherry '26 T touring I keep trying to get him to Rod it, but it's supposedly TOO NICE?? WTF is up with that hahaha just kiddin. He just needs to come to the Round Up or good Rod Run and he will forget about the old restoration it has. I can't knock him, bc I have not seen it yet, I just like to RIb 'em a bit. Thanks again
I have the same problem with a 94 model car I bought. The car is a basket case and not worth anywhere the value the tax office says it is. The state allows an appraiser or an insurance adjuster to set a value on the vehicle but it also allows them to charge between $100 and $300 for the service. I talked to my local state representative's office today and they told me there has been a big uprising over this. The only thing to do is to write your local representative and protest this method of taxing used car purchases. The more letters, the better chance to get the law repealed. The only problem here is the legislature won't convene again for another 16 months.
From what I read, it looks like any licensed dealer can be a qualified appraiser. Am I correct? If so, there are a lot of used car dealers in the world that might help at a more reasonable price. I also suspect that there is little follow up on that signed appraisal. A few bucks up front could save you some headaches until the next chapter of this plays out in the legislature. I think that may be a very long wait.
You know, it's odd, but all of my old project cars have a bill of sale dated September 2006....... If you purchased the car before October of 2006 the presumptive tax does not apply. The Bill of Sale price would apply. Think about it, what is a bill of sale any way? Some one's writting on a piece of paper, hopefully in pen, hopefully with thier legal name and address. Who varifies the validity of a bill of sale? The state does not. If you commit fraud, the victim has the obligation to prove it. I had a car stolen and then ***led with a bonded ***le with a fraudulent bill of sale. The buyer was considered a holder in due course and the thief has never been prosecuted. The buyer will not testify against him. I can sue the thief, but $250 an hour to recover a $4000 project doesn't make sense. So, If you are trying to get a ***le on a $500 rust bucket, maybe you can find a bill of sale from somebody written sometime before October 2006. Not that I would encourage anybody to commit fraud. An older bill of sale will get you around the issue and nobody is harmed. Give it some thought.
I just transferred a ***le on my 59 Apache. I just had the old ***le signed by the previous owner and no bill of sale. She asked me how much I paid for it and I told her $200 and I paid my $16 dollars in tax along with the transfer fee. I got my official ***le in the mail two weeks later. Done deal. It was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be, what the state doesn't know won't hurt them.
No problem, just went through this. BTW they dont take credit cards and they aren't very good at math. Took me 3 trips to get my ***le transferred!
I have ye to hear back from my buddy. I will call him tomorrow and find out what happened when he went to TXDOT. He was trying to get the ***le last I heard, but was also going back to TXDOT to see WTF their ilitterate ***es had to say about the following Vehicles NOT Subject to Standard Presumptive Value Taxation New vehicles Vehicles purchased from licensed dealers Vehicles 25 years old or older Off-road vehicles, such as dirt bikes or all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) Salvage or abandoned vehicles (except rebuilt salvage vehicles) Vehicles sold through a mechanic or storage lien Vehicles given as gifts Even-trade vehicles, when vehicles of equal value are swapped by the owners I will let you guys know as soon as I find out. When I did my '31 model A I had a good NY ***le, and the lady goofed. I got the plates and all in one day. I supposedly should have had to get it Green tagged(p***ed state inspection etc) ****ttttttt I got legit plates and widow sticker as well. Now that I think of it she might not have goofed, but bc of its age, I might not have had to get the green tag. Anyhow I got good plates and window decal for it. I will ***le it later on as a cl***ic or as an Antique. We also just bought a pretty nice little '82 f150 super cab, all original with 76000 miles, one owner as well. Needs a few gaskets, and I will replace shocks and front end bushings, have it re-alligned, and the seats redone. It will be bone stock, but its pretty damn clean for its age. I think we are going to ***le it as a cl***ic vehicle since it meets the 25 yr old standard. I will let you guys knwo what happens with that as well. We have ***le and bill of sale so I should have ZERO trouble with it. Thanks for the help guys...
Txdot *****s did it again. I just got my renewal for my antique registration that expires in 2013, and they sent me a '09 sticker! Now I have to go try to get the correct sticker. I'm sure it will not be easy. Trying to explain that I have a vehicle with cl***ic plates, antique registration and I need a correct sticker to those people is like trying to tell a blind person what blue looks like. Anybody out there know where all this **** is on their websight? I tried searching antique vehicle registration with no luck. Also if Texas thinks they can value a rusted pos cl***ic/antique @ restored value for tax valuation, they are freakin' nuts. Another example of non/anti -car people making laws concerining something they know nothing about. Wasn't this country founded on rebeling against unfair taxation? As to roddin' in general: If the feds keep trying to kill our hobby, we need to have a million rod cruise to D.C.
I switched my regular Texas plates to antique plates last month and it was a great case of bureaucracy in action. There was a month left on my registration, sooooo they switched me over to antique plates that expired at the end of that month, THEN I had to immediately (in the same transaction) hand those plates over and RENEW those plates I jot got until 2013. In effect, those 2008 antique plates were registered for about 3 minutes! The clerk even acknowledged knew how stupid it was, but said it was the only way she could process it. For the tax issue in the OP, my experience has been that it depends largely on which clerk you get. The level of service definitely varies! I would print the pages from the web site and bring them for proof. Of course, if it wasn't for ***holes trying to register $15K cars for $250 this probably never would have happened...
If you know the name of last owner whose name is on original ***le,go to tax office and apply for a lost ***le..when copy comes just transfer it to yourself.. ***les in Texas are not notorized anymore.... Or give the tax office motor,serial # and let them tell you whos name its filed under....Then get the lost ***le...
If I remember correctly, The TAs Bs does not count if the vehicle is 25 yrs old or older. This was just a few months ago I read this. Has this Changed in the last 4 months or so? I like to ***** at stupid people so In a month or so I have 2 vehicles to register. one is my model a and changing it to cl***ic plates, and the other is an old'82 f150 it will get cl***ic plates as well. I will let everyone know what happens.. will
Best way around this is to not buy anything less than 25 years old. Then you can put whatever value you want on the ***le application. Why would anyone on here want anything newer than that anyway. Another thing you can do in Texas is you can get the ***le changed into your name without registering or insuring it. Just tell them you want to do a ***le transfer only. When you get it all fixed up and roadworthy then you can insure it and register it.
That's the smartest thing to do. See, the guy who walks in and wants to get a ***le transfer AND tags on a 70 year old car will ALWAYS call attention to himself. It's not fair, but it's the way it is. Get the ***le ONLY, then roll in a few weeks later with insurance and get the tags. Texas has no problem letting you own anything, but they sure keep an eye out on what gets permission to be on the street. Forms: 130-U and 131 You can download them from the Texas DMV site. Take a look at what information they are asking for and you'll know what to do.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/services/vehicle_***les_and_registration/std_presumptive_value.htm This website explains all of the taxing issues for used vehicles.
Will, if he does not want to mess with it himself, there is a place that has an ad in Adsack called Trouble ***les-883-1441. Ad says ask for Bianca. I have no experience with them, but if he does not have the time, ot might be a good alternative. Thanks, Lyman.
Below is what is stated in plain black and white on their website. Anything OVER 25 yrs of age is NOT subject to taxing. I Know I am going to have a hell of a time with them I can just feel it. It is always my luck, but we will wee what happens when I transfer mt 1982 f150 into my name in a couple of weeks. I should be ok switching over the Model A to a Cl***ic plate instead of the Regular Texas plates though, just pay my fees and move on with it. Vehicles Subject to Standard Presumptive Value Taxation Currently, Standard Presumptive Values are available for these vehicles: Cars Trucks Motorcycles Vehicles purchased from other states Additional vehicle cl***es may be added later. Vehicles NOT Subject to Standard Presumptive Value Taxation New vehicles Vehicles purchased from licensed dealers Vehicles purchased at public auction Vehicles 25 years old or older Off-road vehicles, such as dirt bikes or all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) Salvage or abandoned vehicles (except rebuilt salvage vehicles) Vehicles sold through a mechanic or storage lien Vehicles given as gifts Even-trade vehicles, when vehicles of equal value are swapped by the owners For more information, please read our FAQs.
I had heard this advice a few times before, so thats what I did. Went in with my New York registration, explained stuff to them, got a ***le only which showed up 3 weeks later. Last Thursday I went and got insurance on the car (antique) then went to the tax office for plates. Got in the line for registration, waited 20 minutes there then the lady tried to tell me I had to get it inspected first. HA!! I said no, it doesn't work like that if it's an antique...she talked to the supervisor, then said I was right but needed to go to another line. I did, the lady there said the same thing about needing an inspection...then went to talk to the same supervisor who this time gave her a note giving them the OK to register it without insurance. Then I got a number, waited almost another hour and finally got my plates and will have another ***le in 2-3 weeks. They said the reason it kept popping up that I needed to have it inspected is because when I got the "***le only" they put "VIN verification waived" on the ***le. So if thats on your ***le, prepare for a minor headache.
Compared to all the work, time and money invested in a build, a few hours waiting is nothing. It would actually make the first legal drive that much sweeter.
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