everything is hooked up, but it wont turn over!! whats wrong!?

Can we try my suggestion first? Remove all wires except the big ones to the solenoid. Then jumper (using a screwdriver or piece of wire) from solenoid battery terminal to the S term on solenoid. It should crank! Please do this test first, then if still no go then we can examine the problem in more detail.

 

ha okay we'll try this tomorrow. i printed out the last two pages of this thread and we'll take them with us to read them over and over, like we did before :-/
so i'll post an update if we try this tomorrow and nothing happens. just a quick "out of couriosity" question... but will this restore power back to the break lights, and blinkers?

 

Your dad is wrong regarding the yellow wire. The only time there is power on the starter side of the solenoid is when the solenoid is energized. How does the solenoid get energized? Well, it all starts with the yellow wire, which needs to be connected to the BATTERY side of the solenoid, then through the ignition switch. Just move the yellow wire to the other side of the solenoid and see if your turn signals will work, OK?

 

Yep EBBSSPEED has it nailed. Put the yeller wire on the other side. I know what you mean about electricty !! Good luck and let us know. Sometimes the answer is so simple !!!

 

I agree with EBBSPEED. And you should always connect your test lamp to the negative side of battery or a good ground.

If moving the yellow wire to the battery terminal on solenoid solves this problem, then it must have been moved when you changed the firing order.

BTW: What I try to do in the test I mentioned in the previous post I wrote was to test the solenoid, starter, battery, grounds, and two big cables that go to the solenoid. This eliminates these items if the engine cranks.

 

well unfortuantley my dad has to make me mention this. but he is saying it just doesnt make sense to him that switching the yellow wire to the other side would work, because supposidly we had it on the starter side of the solenoid when the blinkers were working and we got it to turn over.

we are gonna try your guys's suggestions dont worry, but my dad wanted me to throw that in there i guess

 

Only explanation I can come up with is that there is another wire from the positive post of the battery going to some other circuit that might have supplied the ignition switch power. That would allow the blinkers and starter to work originally. Might have had a fusible link in it too. Dunno. Just swap the yellow wire over to the battery side and try. Should work.

 

thanks a lot for the help. we'll try it tomorrow. hopefully it does work. if not... how positive are you that im just screwed or have bad luck? i have a feeling it wont work and i'll be just as dissapointed and frustrated as i felt today, but ya never know i guess till you try it

 

neither screwed or bad luck. just need to know how things work. Chances are you will get it working tomorrow. It is not that complicated when you know how things work. I would take the advice of some of the other members and get a manual for the car or find some sights that show the wiring of Fords.

Hang in there!

 

This help? http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/tOCMP/wiring/5765wiring diagrams/Ford/MWire5765-197.jpg

 

yea thats the wiring diagram i printed out and am currently using, thanks though

 

I don't mean to sound harsh, but your dad seems alot like mine. You need to convince him to follow the vast knowledge you are getting here and you would probably have solved your problem 5 pages ago.

 

I agree . Did you check all of your grounds and do you have spark?

 

Have you seen this page?


www.mustangandfords.com/techarticle...electrical_wiring_system/troubleshooting.html

 

moving the yellow wire will take 1 minute.
tell your dad to just move the ****ing wire and see what happens!!

no dis-respect to your dad,but hes being hard-headed about this.

 

For a brief moment think of the HAMB as the hot-rod police. You sir need to step away from the car. You are busted lay all tools down and put your hands behind your back!!! Get someone to help you that knows what the f#@k they are doing. You have had the correct advice days ago but haven't put it to use. I rest my case>>>>.

 

i did it today, all by myself, dad didnt feel like helping me out today cuz he's sick of nothing working on it, but instead I GOT IT BY MYSELF, with the help from you guys of course. the firing order is still off and he said he'll mess with that tomorrow, but im proud of myself because i did everything today by myself. sorry for the trouble everyone, but you did help me out. i took some videos today to, i'll post them later once youtube finally uploads em

 

my little thank you to you guys (when i turned the key over it was the first time trying it to see if the engine will crank so i was a little surprised)

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and i know, the firing order is off... but i came close today

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thank you everyone

 

That is the best education you can get. Once you get it figured out, you will have that knowledge for ever. Noone can take it away from you.


jerry

 

I always got my best work done when dad was asleep.

 

Kick*** man, good to see ya got it going. No offense to your dad, but he doesnt seem to know much about eletricals. Posting a question here will invariably get good answers. I love my Dad, but mechanically inclined he is not. Good luck with the rest of it!

 

You now get a gold star for the day!! Now lets hear it run>>>>.

 

couldnt have said it better myself. my dad is great, but mechanically inclined... thats another story :-/ but yea im proud, it'll be running most definatley this week... my goal was to have it running by the western national street rod show here in bakersfield this friday saturday and sunday, and who knows, i might have it running by then, not driveable, but running, which is okay by me i guess
but yea when i called my dad saying 'i got it' he didnt believe me, i had to put the phone up to the blinker so he can hear it tick, then the phone next to the engine so he could hear it crank!

 

He is now a believer! LOL You did good dude! Now get it running!

 

Oh man, this is good and funny stuff. Congratulations on getting that figured out. Now, slow down and do the same thing with the engine. I believe it was Engine Pro 5x that posted in one of your threads something to the effect of "don't keep cranking on the newly rebuilt engine". Find the firing order in a manual and verify it's correct, make sure the distributor timing is right (close enough to adjust after it starts, but not way off), and such.

A lot of people will relate to the father-son relationship. It reminds me of Wall Of Voodoo's "Me and My Dad". I looked for a video of the song, but all I found on Youtube was live and it ****ed compared to the original song. Here are the lyrics if anyone's interested.

Thanks,
Kurt

[FONT=Futura,Arial,Helvetica]Me and My Dad[/FONT]

Me and my dad
We've got a good thing going
Fishing trips, the hard way's the best
Man-to-man talks, when the going gets tough
The tough get going
​

Follow me, son
I'll guide you the right way
Fix my car when the engine falls apart
Show me where the piston goes
Can you get this thing to start?
​

Father talks big business with authority
He's the big boss, he knows the levels of consistency
Father knows how to read his morning paper
Tellin' me how he died to live, workin' hard labor
​

Chorus:
Me and my dad
Me and my dad
Me and my dad
We've got a good thing going
Father talks big business with authority
He's the big boss, he knows the levels of consistency
Father knows how to read his morning paper
He's tellin' me how he died to live, workin' hard labor
​

Chorus repeat until fade​

 

I'll tell you what...you're very lucky that your Dad is trying to help you (and I'm sure you know it). Maybe he wasn't giving you the best advice on this electrical problem but it's obvious from your posts he's given you some great advice on how to grow into a man...and that's more important. Just from reading this thread I'm proud of you and I'll double d guaranty you that he is.

Way to go!!

But I still want to hear it run so don't forget us....

 

You're on the right track. I think it's really cool you posted a thanks on YouTube.

 

Amen to that! When I was 16 (MANY years ago) and wanted a hot rod, and could have bought a running '40 Ford coupe for $50, all I ever heard was, "You'll never find parts for it." Just like a broken record, "You'll never find parts for it, you'll never find..."

 

It's a great feeling, isn't it? When this stuff finally works!? Keep fightin' the good fight and keep us informed.

 

The reason the yellow wire goes to the battery side is because the red wire has the power all the time. The ignition switch allows the power on the yellow wire (which is hooked to the red side) [think door opens and power flows through] to power all other wires on the other side of the door.

If the yellow wire is on blue, the only time yellow wire has power is when the starter is turning over. What tells the starter to turn if you have no way to get electricity to the switch?

So slowly...

red cable has electricity. Hook yellow to red so yellow has electricity too. Electricity, like water flows to the switch (dam). When you turn the switch on, the switch closes/contacts (dam opens) and electricity flows through the switch (water flows through dam to other streams below) to all other circuits. [NOTE: On the back of the ignition switch, there is another wire that goes to the fuse box that hooks up to the yellow so non-switched stuff gets power without turning on ignition switch]

When the ignition switch is turned to start(another switch/small dam), that electricity flowing through the switch (from yellow wire) goes on small wire to solenoid, opening another dam inside the solenoid so power (water) flows through the solenoid to the blue/starter cable.

Sooooo

long post, short story...

yellow wire to battery/red wire side. Make sure the yellow wire is on the back of the ignition switch in the + screw.