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willy's starter Q:

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 54panman, May 28, 2008.

  1. 54panman
    Joined: May 19, 2008
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    hey yall i was wondering if anyone know what other vehical starter fits a willy's 134c.i. motor???? mine took a **** and cant find one local! and ordering one from back east is damm pricey with the parts cost and then shipping!!! any one have some ideas? thanks
     
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  3. JohnEvans
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    I would think NAPA Car Quest etc. could get one. Look in phone book under automotive electrial for a rebuilder.
     
  4. Dirty2
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    Yea , find a local rebuilder .
     
  5. 54panman
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    the rebuilder i took it to say's its fried.... he cant do anything with it!!! napa/car quest/ kregan and all the others cant find one!!!!
     
  6. JohnEvans
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    Try another rebuilder !! This one sounds like all he does is bushing and brushes and calls it rebuilt. Ya got any 4X4 shops around ? Try them as there is still quite a few old 6 volt Jeeps around and they may know where to find one. What year is the vehicle?? Try asking for one to fit a 50s era 6 volt Jeep.
     
  7. FiddyFour
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    a decent motor rebuilder will be able to rewind the thing and have no troubles with it.
     
  8. 54panman
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    hey thanks for the suggestions, its off a org 48 2wd pickup factory 12v... 9 tooth drive gear!!! the place i took it was a called acs its a bigger alt/starter rebuild company here in the bay! i'v call the local parts house's and tried even getting one from a 50's- 70 jeep w/ a 134ci, but no one has come up with any thing!!! its kind odd it shouldnt be that be a deal there ran 134ci clear up till at least 65 or so!!! amc bought the jeep name in 70 and by then it was all straight 6's and v8's but i would think i could get a early jeepster starer cause they ran 134's but no..... hence the reason i was wondering if anyone else has put a chevy or ford what ever in the old jeep or had a starter lay'n around!!!! but i'll try a 4wd shop... jeep guys are alway yank'n the factory equip. for small block stuff!!!
     
  9. JohnEvans
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    54panman ck your PM
     
  10. FiddyFour
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    might look at a later willys overland starter and see if the bendix will exchange if the tooth count is whats different... anyone with a hollander handy?
     
  11. stingbean
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    When the original 6 volt starter in my 55' CJ5 (134c.i. F-head) conked out back in the nineties and we were told it couldn't be rebuilt, I was able to install a starter that had been on the 216 stovebolt in my 37 Chevy. (I'm not too sure it was the original starter from 1937 but it is a Delco) It's been awhile since I've messed with it, but if I remember right, one of the bolts was a real pain in the *** to get a wrench on because of the solenoid, but everything else lined up and worked great. This is still the starter I'm using now (or was using until the engine blew up 2 years ago and I parked the thing). I'll try to snap a picture of the starter on the engine to post when my wife comes home with our digital camera.
     
  12. JohnEvans
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    Different style starter Stringbean.This one uses a remote sol. like a Ford. Looked at one this morning at my local rebuilder here on Phoenix.
     
  13. stingbean
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    Yep, very different style starters.

    If the 48 Willys starter is like the one that went bad on my 55' Jeep it should look something like the one in the first picture (this is one from the 40's) There wasn't a solenoid on the starter and it was switched by a heavy duty electrical footswitch.

    The second picture is the starter which should have been on my '37 Chevy had it been the original starter. The electrical switch was mounted on the starter but activated through mechanical linkage by a ****on (or pedal?) on the floorboard. This was not the starter in my truck when I got it but the linkage was still hanging from the firewall/floor.

    Exhibit C is the type of starter that was on the 216 in my '37 and currently resides in my Jeep (This is a photo I pulled from the web, I'm still waiting for the camera to take a picture of the actual starter on the engine). I never knew its origin before today , but some internet research makes me pretty sure that it is from a 1949-1954 Chevy car (maybe a truck too?)engine. (Experts on these cars, please feel free to verify or debunk this ***umption once I get a pic. of my starter posted).

    This type of starter bolted right up to the 134c.i. F head bellhousing and I have never had any gear meshing issues. I byp***ed the starting foot switch business and now start it with the ignition key. This sure beats having to work the starting switch and pump the accelerator pedal with the same foot.

    I don't know enough about 1940's Willys trucks to guarantee that this swap would work in that application, but I would think that they didn't change much about how the starter bolts on from the flathead to the F-head 134's.
     

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  14. JohnEvans
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    Yep! Pic 1 is what I looked at the the rebuilder this morning. Chevy P/Us still used the foot push till 54 and 57 on the 6s. I'm with you on #3 if the mounting and gear size/tooth count matched and it shifted in far enough to correctly engage "We have a winner" I was looking in the rebuilders app. listings and up to 50 they showed #1 a Autolite made one. Later I saw Delco listed.
     
  15. Ball and Chain
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    These guys should be able to hook you up. San Jose Generator in San Jose California (408) 293-2200
     
  16. nmbuellist
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    sounds like you need a different rebuilder--find one with grey hair--common parts in any rebuilders catalogs
     
  17. 54panman
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    hey yall thansk for the help!!! stringbean mine looks like the 1ts pic but has the solinoid mounted on top like #3!!!! it's 12volt witha key ing from the factory... i still have the briggs &stratton/ willys keys haha its kool!!! i think i have a 216 starter here in a boxsome where i'll have to dig it out and check it thanks for the help panman
     
  18. murfman
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    Try Willys america, or Kaiser Willys Auto Supply
     
  19. stingbean
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    Sounds like yours would be an easier swap than mine with the solenoid already down there. Does your starter look like the one in the first pic then?

    The second picture is of the actual Chevy starter in my Jeep. As I was looking at it I remembered how hard it was to get to that top bolt under the firewall. I had to take out the removable floor panels over the transmission and even then it was one of those deals where you only get about 3 degrees of bolt rotation with every turn of the wrench. Hopefully you have a little more clearance in the pickup.

    .....and yes that is some sort of hose dryer clamp holding the cover around the front of the starter, original bit the dust somewhere along the line.
     

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  20. Straightpipes
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    I thought all 48 Jeeps had 6 volt. Is that a military model?? I got a couple of starters from old Jeeps in a junkyard for my 48 Willys. Henry J had the same flat four engine. Any flatfender Jeep supply house has starters for the 134 engine.
     

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