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The Magic of Lead

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Low, Jun 10, 2008.

  1. Low
    Joined: Jan 28, 2002
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    I really quite enjoy doing lead work. Despite the health hazards, the results you can get with are awesome.

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  2. chaddilac
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    wow that's cool! nice job low...
     
  3. JeffreyJames
    Joined: Jun 13, 2007
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    from SUGAR CITY

    yeah, that car is really coming along. Your lead slinging is right on deck my friend and those pillars look really good leaning forward like you did.
     
  4. SaltCityCustoms
    Joined: Jun 27, 2007
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    You can get lead free body solder, then you don't have to worry about dying! YAY
     
  5. Low
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    the lead free is SUPER expensive. besides, gloves and a respirator do a pretty good job of keeping you safe.
     
  6. Evel
    Joined: Jun 25, 2002
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    Thats Hot...
     
  7. gotwood
    Joined: Apr 6, 2007
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    from NYC

    NICE WORK!! I also love lead work. Just makes those in progress jobs look incredible.

    Funny how covering up welds and blending panels is acceptable when done with lead but if somebody was grinding plastic of car car they would be bad mouthing the poor SOB who put it there. Plastics of today just do not crack if applied correctly and need proper prep as does the lead.

    Has anybody tried the lead free solder? I use lead but never tried. Any problems?
     
  8. Low
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    ooh...now I am blushing.
     
  9. Low
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    Yes, but lead is traditional, and cool :D Never tried the lead free, and dont know anyone who has.

    And I think I know why. 30 bucks a pound. compared to the lead at 16 bucks a pound http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/...1&itemID=14715&keyword=11460&cm_mmc=undefined
     
  10. pimpin paint
    Joined: May 31, 2005
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    from so cal

    Hey,

    The 'lead-free' requires a higher heat to melt, than does the 30/70
    body solder (lead). Probably not a problem on a B post, but it would
    be a muther****er on a sail panel, roof or other low crowned panel.
    NEVER GRIND OR DA A LEAD REPAIR.

    S****ey Devils C.C.

    "Meanwhile, back aboard The Tainted Pork"
     
  11. 48reo
    Joined: Feb 21, 2008
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    that is so cool!, I would like to get into that. (f#ck bondo!) and if bill hines can do it for so long and still remain a**** the living than Im not afraid.
     
  12. When it comes to lead, the dude abides.................
     
  13. BCR
    Joined: Dec 11, 2005
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    Johnsons mfg co in google search. Just bought 50 pounds of 70/30 for the shop at $7.11 on Friday. It changes by the day price wise. The lead free is double that amount but still cheaper than Eastwood. I think they have a $25 dollar minimum order. Mike
     
  14. Low
    Joined: Jan 28, 2002
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    Damn, that is a bargain price. How does it come? In 1/4lb sticks like eastwood's, or different? I am definitely gonna remember Johnosons Mfg though. Thanks.
     
  15. Pir8Darryl
    Joined: Jan 9, 2008
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    Pardon my ignorance here, but I have to ask...

    Are we talking just plain old straight lead???

    I got a buddy who hits junk yards and pulls lead wheel weights off car tires to make amunition. He slips the yard owner a fiver, and does the whole yard. Usually pulls out 100-150 lbs per yard.

    He then melts it in a small black-iron skillet on top of a gas range in his garage. Pretty simple.
     
  16. duste01
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    "lead free" thats like diet lead? ha...uh...sorry. That was the english in me coming out. Tire weight are lead for sure, but the rating your reading about is the mixture containing the tin with the lead. I love my 70/30 and my rag soaked in atf.
     
  17. Low
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    body solder lead is a 30/70 mix of tin and lead. 30% tin and 70% lead. It makes application easier, and it is a cleaner lead than just your average recycled tire weights or fishing weights.
     
  18. Low
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    A rag soaked in ATF. That is not a technique I have heard of before. I guess if it works well for you, just keep on keepin on :D
     
  19. PollockzRodz
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    Damn I love lead work. Have yet to do it myself just because Bondos cheaper but maybe one day I will come across a body that is fairly straight and I can use lead. -Jon
     
  20. pimpin paint
    Joined: May 31, 2005
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    from so cal

    Hey,

    Over the years I've heard of all of the following used to lube a solder
    paddle: tallow, bees wax, linseed oil, motor oil, atf & even beef fat!
    All of these will "work", but most will be a ***** to kill come painting
    time.
    I've always used bees wax.

    S****ey Devils C.C.

    "Meanwhile, back aboard The Tainted pork"
     
  21. Devin
    Joined: Dec 28, 2004
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    from Napa, CA

    stupid question here: how do you achieve an acceptably smooth surface ready for paint if you're not supposed to sand lead? especially in complicated areas where a file won't fit?
     
  22. Noland
    Joined: Oct 16, 2007
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    As far as lead work goes I love it to,Its part of the experience. Knowing you have enough pride in the car to use it. I wish I could get a car thats solid enough to just use lead. Dont take this the wrong way I dont cover up rust but my Model A was so pitted the whole body needed a skim coat of plastic.
     
  23. pimpin paint
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    from so cal

    Hey,
    In those areas where a file won't reach, try a wood chisel. S****e
    the lead to a rough shape and wrap some production paper around
    a small 'idiot-stick' sand to shape.
    The best route is to do most of your shaping with the paddle, with
    only a minimal of filing or sanding required.
    Don't smoke or eat while working with lead, keep little kids outa the
    shop, and wash up after workin' with it.

    S****ey Devils C.C.

    "Meanwhile, back aboard The Tainted Pork"
     
  24. Low
    Joined: Jan 28, 2002
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    Yup, thats what I would do. In most cases you can get it really nice and smooth with the file. Sometimes however, you may need to sand it just a little. Do it manually (no grinders or DA's) Wear a respirator, and keep it off your hands.
     
  25. duste01
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    A really old geezer taught me to use the ****** fluid on the paddles to keep them from burning and sticking, course now that I'm approaching the wheezing stage I wonder if the old geezer is even around.....Don Pendegr***, please stand up! wonderful teacher, and a 100 point model A for eyes only.
     
  26. BCR
    Joined: Dec 11, 2005
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    Got it in today. It is in 1/2 pound square sticks. Bees wax on paddles. Don't inhale the fumes that come off during the process (although they don't contain lead they are toxic) Good ventaliation is a must or a mask rated for welding. The lead won't get ya while your loading it, or paddling it, or even filing it (although I wear my resperator during the filing) It will get you if you sand it. Always and I mean always wear your mask while sanding it. It is also a good idea to not have any food or drink in the area. Also it will be on your clothes, gloves, skin , hair, shop floor- my point being don't fire up the blow gun and clean the shop floor after you have sanded it. Just common sense stuff. Metal meet has some good stuff on lead loading. Some videos on youtube also.

    Mike
     
  27. fordcragar
    Joined: Dec 28, 2005
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    from Yakima WA.

    You might not have heard of this one. Last year at MetalMeet, Gene Winfield stopped by and agreed to do a leading seminar. So he gave me a list of stuff that he needed and bee's wax was on the list. We were a long way from home and asked around looking for bee's wax and couldn't find or figure out where to get it at. What we decided on was the wax toilet bowl gasket. I think that it worked fine.
     
  28. Low
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    Actually, that is what I use instead of beeswax. Its only about a buck at Home Depot, and it works great.
     
  29. Ranunculous
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    Bill Hines could probably kick Superman's *** and he wouldn't be able to see it
    coming.....Lead doesn't seem to slow him down?

    Nice work,Low!
     
  30. VonMoldy
    Joined: May 23, 2005
    Posts: 1,562

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    from UTARRGH!

    I got some bees wax at a craft store like Michaels. A big brick of it for I think like 7 bucks check your ads in the newspaper they run 50% one item coupons all the time. Girls use it to make candles and ****.
     

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