Is Tulsa the gateway to hell?

<font color="green">He should have stayed there.

Sounds like handing out food is more his line of work.

The for sale sign was up long before this happened.

This just made sure it won't come down til I'm gone.

The rest of your **** gives me a headache to read.

I have known many people in Tulsa who have run for office and not made it.

I believe it will be easier to campaign against Harris.

And I'm gonna start right now.

RASHY </font>

 

any where is a start!!!! he had cl*** mates !!!get into the year book and alumni and go from there ,tear him down from the bottom up!!!!! it can be done!!

 

This is ****. I've been reading all the posts related to this stuff, just to keep track and make sure justice is served. Well looks like it's not gonna be without some work. Ok so shawn had br*** knuckles so what. there are plenty of black belts running around out there that are cl***ified in the same group. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I got into a fight of some sort I'd use whatever I needed to win. I wouldn't stop and think about the legal aspect and then choose to use a weapon or not. This also goes for bagwell, but the fights over when the other goes down. After that it is intentional and NOT self defense. I'll be writing an email and looking for more help.

 

http://www.cityoftulsa.org/

 

Another HUGE Crock 'O' **** (tm)

 

http://www.livable.com/contact/index.htm

Maybe they should receive some feedback from us, so they know just how UN-livable Tulsa is...unless you're a psychotic homeless career criminal.

 

man Oklahoma law is F*cked Up!

In Oklahoma, homicide is cl***ified as "excusable" when committed by accident or in the heat of p***ion. Homicide is considered "justifiable" when resisting a murder attempt against the defendant, when in the lawful defense of a person or close family member, <font color="red">or when committed in an attempt to apprehend a person for committing a felony. </font>

So this is in case a cop needs to beat a convict down? or can this be applied to anyone?

Also "in the heat of p***ion"? WTF does that mean? If someone is pissed it's excusable to commit murder in the 1st degree?

Found all this here:
Oklahoma "Law"

I bet these guys want big money, but... maybe one of them would help out a little.

Deadly force experts

One More.. Look at this definition.

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The term “excessive force” is defined by Oklahoma state law as being that “physical force which exceeds the degree of physical force permitted by law or the policies and guidelines of the law enforcement agency”.

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So would it be acceptable for a cop to beat a man to death for br*** knuckles..... maybe in Tulsa..

 

I found it.

Self Defense

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Unlawful force is defined as force used against a person without the person's consent in such a way that the action would be a civil wrong or a criminal offense. If the force used by the defender was not immediately necessary for his/her protection <font color="red">or if the force used was disproportionate in its intensity to that of the attacker</font>, then the use of such force by the defendant was not justified and the self-defense claim in a criminal prosecution fails.

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I found it.

Self Defense

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Unlawful force is defined as force used against a person without the person's consent in such a way that the action would be a civil wrong or a criminal offense. If the force used by the defender was not immediately necessary for his/her protection <font color="red">or if the force used was disproportionate in its intensity to that of the attacker</font>, then the use of such force by the defendant was not justified and the self-defense claim in a criminal prosecution fails.

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way to go Rev....
We are sending another e-mail to the DA!

Beating someone to death with a lead pipe is disproportionate to someone attacking you with br*** knuckles!!!!

Smoking ****ing gun!
good work...

oooh Mr Harris.....you are a *******!

HC

 

<font color="green">It just struck me as ironic...

Tim Harris will fall victim to his own doing.

Here's how I see it...

Tulsa has lost countless jobs,

New companies do not want to come here,

Tim Harris is about to be unemployed,

Tim Harris will find no job,

Tim Harris will be dumpster diving,

Tim Harris will wind up running into one of the *****s he turned loose,

I just hope the dude he runs into is packing a "Thunder****". TM

Does anyone know if people in his position can be impeached?

I may start a new fund to register the URL ...

www.timharris****s.com

It isn't taken.

www.homelesspeople****.com is taken though.

RASHY </font>

 

****in Hicks!! They should be hung by thier nuts!

 

Jeff,

There's a couple problems with it though.

1st: They're not going to take a "hot-rod community" with no legal training seriously. Media hurts though...

2nd: That quote is from a taekwondo site referencing the 1975 federal self-defense law. It needs to be in pure form and need to make sure that this federal law stands in Oklahoma.

3rd: If anything comes of this, it's best to use examples of other cases that are similar to prove the point I think. There's always extenuating cir***stances and all that, but if a similar case was proved in favor of the prosecutor, then it's harder to argue with.

 

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Tim Harris will be dumpster diving,


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Hopefully behind Deadtown

 

Gr*** Roots... Start a PUBLIC information (recall attempt) campaign on him. If he is coming up for re-election soon, see what you can offer his rival. It is funny how stuff snowballs... A group we started supporting last year unseated a couple of Long Beach City Counselmen in the last election because they appeared to be down with sending more Heavy Jets over the houses in our neighborhood...

 

I've tried to keep my mouth shut on this whole thing...Sean was a dear friend of mine and losing him this way was the last thing l ever expected...Deadtown is my family and l had felt l'd deal with this loss in silence(my own way)...however at work today I get the call about Terry's release...All l can say is ****ing ********!! I have never had such hatred and anger in my heart as l do now...so what happens if l go back down to tulsa and l find him..maybe I destroy him with a pipe...oh it was self defense l'm a helpless girl... do l get to walk too?? I'm so angry I can't even finish what l want to say...

Takin Over...**** it you know it

Whiskey

 

<font color="green"> This is such ****ING ********!! I mean in no way to demean what happened to those pups/dogs but this pisses me off! The dog story has been in the news for days now. The Shawn Hoawrd story has already been forgotten. People all over the state, even the country have been volunteering to adopt the animals but, except here, no one really seems to care about Shawn. Tulsa ****s, no offense to anyone living there. I'm staying in Tahlequah. </font>

 

glad to see you guys have cooled down a little. don't confuse my statement about having br*** knuckles with saying Sean isn't a nice guy or anything, i never said any such thing. i mentioned skinheads cause they like to run around with things like pipes and knuckles, then get out after they get a taste of having their own ***es beat.

believe me, i do not support the DA, but the way to deal with situations like this is with cool heads, and knowledge. you can call the DA all you want and holler that "it just ain't fair" but as long as you don't understand the laws you are fighting, you will get nowhere. br*** knuckles, especially being used as br*** knuckles, are a deadly weapon according to Ok law. or so i have found with my brief research, and the reports certainly seem to say so. oh, and once you swing a pipe wrench, or anything at a person, yes it too becomes a deadly weapon, but it is much clearer to any person that br*** knuckles are intended nothing else than to cause serious bodily harm, they have no legit use. does the Ok law say that they are illegal only if used in agression, and legal in self defense? i don't think so. besides, it was admitted that knuckles were involved.

and i don't want to be the guy trying to explain the rules of fighting for your life to a homeless man. stop beating a man after he is down? that's a nice noble rule for those that fight for recreation, but when you sleep in the streets, to use a cliche' it's kill or be killed.

i see a few of you are quick to judge this man because he is homeless, schitzo etc. that is really sad to me. i do know what its like to lose someone close to me, i know what it's like to deal with severe mental illness(not mine, maybe) and i know what it's like to be homeless, what its like to not know who to turn to even if you were able to swallow your pride and ask for help. i'm also described by people that know me as being nice and all that, not a violent person, but i'm not afraid to, and have used force too, i can see both sides of the story. "what if" the morning papers read about a homeless vietnam war vet killed with one blow to the head with br*** knuckles, because he was mistaken for another homeless fellow?

i didn't aim to offend, but i stand by everything i said. Sean is a great guy from what i've heard, use his the loss of him to change tulsa for the better. see, you've just become activists! you now have a cause, just like them ****ing tree-hugging hippies! it's too bad it has to get ugly before people are moved to take action. next thing you'll want to be talking about corrupt governments all the time.

i might see what i can dig up on the DA. meanwhile the whole truth needs to come out on exactly what really happened there that night. the devolpments of this story could have some traction in the media, but frankly the knuckles really hurt things.

i need to get back to work, i will be studying the details of this more, that's what i do!

 

<font color="green">As if just to prove what I have been saying about the local media, police and the ability to believe what you here from either one...

The Media and TPD are a JOKE!!! </font>

 

I could not even read the article but those sick ****s should be ****ing killed slowly for months.

 

Well spoken. This story needs someone like you who is articulate to send this information to Bill O'Reillys show and get some national exposure. Sounds like it will never come to light out of the Tulsa media.

 

Rashy... Find some way for those of us who have no legal say in the Tulsa Area to help create some waves... I understand that someone might be cleared of an ultra violent murder like this, but without even a jury trial??? **** that guy...
Ray... Given the obvious impact of Shawn's Departure on a large number of people here, I think you should keep your devil's advocate **** to yourself.

M-

 

Ok for those who don't know me I am a friend of Shawn, an employee of Deadtoen and part of the Deadtown family. First off let me start with this...

I have known Shawn for a while be it just hanging out in the bar, working for the bar, or working in the shop with him and the guys. Now mind you this put me around most of the time and I do mean most of the time. We have a problem with homeless,huffers,thiefs and whatnot. Do not think that we hate anyone but it does get tiring over time. Not the homeless that mind their own business but the ones (and all of you should know what kind I'm referring to) that are pests....who don't take no for an answer and won't just go away. We just wanted a safe enviroment for our customers, and our friends, along with ourselves. Were the police involved.....yes but not enough on a regular basis. Shawn also lived on this block were Deadtown is. Woukd you want this around your house....no I didn't think so. Shawn also would pay some homeless to wash windows, take out trash etc.
He felt bad for people that needed help but we also had "the terds". The ones that wouldn't leave us and our patrons alone...continually wanting money,cigarettes, and thoght they owned the Brady District. These people we would have to constantly tell to leave, even remove from the premises. Yes TPD was involved but compared to the scale of the problem not enough. We were told that these were public sidewalks and streets and not much could be done about it. How would you like it if this happened on your block.......not so much. We never went out looking for problems

 

<font color="green">That is the second time someone has mentioned the Bill O'reilly show.

I am going to check into that, go at it covering all his achievements and then finish up with what I am considering his Grand Finale.

If you don't live in Tulsa you don't know how deeply ingrained the Good Ole Boy System is.

You see, all the local media depend on the local government for tips about news, permits, access to City and County buildings, I'm sure other things I'm not aware of.

They piss of the cops and they don't get access to crime scenes, no helicopter clearance.

The local media CANNOT be trusted to help.

For instance, when this first started, Channel 2 was all over it, they came down to DEADTOWN and interviewed a bunch of people who all told them about how many times Shawn had asked for ***istance from the city.

Shawn couldn't get the city to put in street lights so he put in lights himself.

He asked them to trim up the cities tress that had grown to the ground, as well as some other bushes that were overgrown. No response. So, he trimmed them himself. Having no means handy to dispose of the debris, he then called and asked that the city come pick it up.

Well, they did, shortly after Channel 2 aired the report, showing the big stack of **** that had sat in the street by the bar.

The report aired at noon and six and then by ten it was completely reworked, no mention of the cities failures.

I'm gonna tell you all something here that I wanted to keep out because it is just a sad glimpse into what a man with dreams has to go through in Tulsa.

I spent alot of Saturday taking T-Shirt orders a**** other things.

Since we had not planned on doing this it was all improved.

I took the notebook we were using for registration and ran with it.

Around 2 in the morning I had all I could take and went home.

The next morning, I got up to form a spread sheet for the orders and started leafing through the notebook to find the list.

I came across Shawn's "To-Do before the party" list.

I read it with tears in my eyes, to read a mans plans for something he loved so much, things he had to do to be sure his patrons and friends were safe and had fun.

Plans he would never realize.

And then the thing that brought chills to my spine.

About halfway through the list was "Have crack dealers across the street apprehended Friday"

Now how sad is that? Not only that there ARE crack dealers across the street but that you have to plan when YOU will have to call the Police to have them arrested because you KNOW they will be right back there so you even have to time when it happens.

How many of you have that on your To-Do list today?

Police drive through there all the time but that is all they do unless you call them. HAve you ever called the police and they show up but don't do anything because the turd you called on smells SO BAD that the police JOKE about not wanting them in "THEIR" car?

Seems the best method we may have here is letting the higher ups in neighboring communities know what is happening and let them embar*** Tulsa.

I'll look into that also.

Gotta go to work.

RASHY </font>

 

<font color="green">Well,

I asked him nicely. On the phone and in an email.

I spoke with Kevin at channel 8 and he did shut down the ability to leave new messages but did not remove the hurtful comments as he said he would.

So, now I need your help.

By Phone
Voice: (918) 445-8888
G&amp;A Fax: (918) 445-9354
Sales Fax: (918) 445-9316

Kevin King

Just click on his name at the top of the article.

I'm asking anyone who is able to contact "Kevin King" at channel 8, he is the Web-Master there.

Ask him nicely if he will get rid of that ****, in respect of Shawn's family and out of respect for a good man who cannot defend himself.

It serves no purpose but to try Shawn in the media and cause pain to those who really know him.

And there it still sits, with the UGLY comments from uneducated people with enough half-facts to make them dangerous. </font>

 

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"what if" the morning papers read about a homeless vietnam war vet killed with one blow to the head with br*** knuckles, because he was mistaken for another homeless fellow?

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Ray...
THEY DID NOT GO AROUND AND LOOK FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE TO BEAT UP!!!!!
THERE WOULD BE NO, OOPS, WE HIT A VET, SORRY, WE THOUGHT HE WAS HOMELESS MAN!
WHAT IN THE **** IS YOUR PROBLEM....
I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE A REALLY NICE GUY IN PERSON, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU ARE NOT ****ING HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you
Jeff HANKCASH Wood

 

I called the DA's office - the next election isn't for a couple of years yet. If I can't get him out of office one way I'll campaign for the other guy so hard...

What we need is a media outlet that will work with us - one that people are actually exposed to.

 

<font color="green"> I think we should contact the media in OKC.

They have nothing to lose by exposing this guy.

The next time we see Tim Harris, He'll be asking if you "want fries with that."

RASHY </font>

 

Good idea. Something we were talking about at the shop last night was trying to get anti-panhandling laws ins***uted. Oklahoma is apparently on e of the few states that doesn't have one.

 

Well, I've gone and done it....
every e-mail and fax machine is blowing up with this right now....
I hope that the D/A's office has plenty of paper......

HC

 

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that's a nice noble rule for those that fight for recreation, but when you sleep in the streets, to use a cliche' it's kill or be killed.


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Ray, What the hell is wrong with you? We don't live in the congo here. This is supposed to be a civilized country. Kill or be Killed? That sounds logical and ok to you huh? And I don't think you are reading all the info here either. He is a proven trouble maker, paint huffer, convict with a mean streak. Noit just some homeless man that everyone decided to pick on. What would he need to be for you to justufy him in prison? Maybe murder 3 or 4 people then he could go to trial?

Whether or not he has the kill or be killed mentality doesn't matter anyway. The law states, as I posted above, that if it's excessive force (with or without a deadly weapon), in comparison to the force of the attacker, it's illegal and cannot be construed as self-defence.