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283 bakcfires through carb

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by PASTDUEBILL, Jun 22, 2008.

  1. PASTDUEBILL
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    I've got a fresh 283 in my truck. About 500 miles on it. 11 to 1 pistons, vette intake, new 600 d pump holley. Dual point mallory, comp cam 270 straight up no degree. Edlebrock heads (Not old school I know). It starts fast, idles sweet but when you give it quick throttle it backfires through the carb. The carb horn is black with soot. Checked coil voltage 12v. It's timed @ 3000 rpm. Got a fuel guage it stays around 5-6 lbs. Help is there anything obvious that I'm missing?
     
  2. ocfab
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    are the points set correctly ?
     
  3. 41hemi
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    Backfireing through the carb is a symptom of a lean condition. Maybe a vacuum leak; too small of a carb or carb jets; timing or vacuum advance off a little bit. My suggestion for you is to refer to a Motors Manual to help get some more clues.
     
  4. PASTDUEBILL
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    The points were set bright out of box. Disconnected them one at a time and set dwell. I checked my power valves today and checked jet sizes. 66 front and rear. How do I know if thats enough? Also I've got a vacuum canister to run my wiper. Engine runs 10" vac until you give it throttle then it drops out.
     
  5. Lobucrod
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    May not be getting a big enough squirt from the accelerator pump. Holley makes a bigger pump. I think its called a 50cc pump. It may be a good idea to go to a vacuum secondary carb. The double pumper may be too much for the 283 when you open all 4 bbls at once.
     
  6. R Pope
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    Try disconnecting the secondaries. A 600 double pumper with mechanical linkage is probably too much at low RPM for your 283. Lobucrod's suggestion of a vacuum secondary carb will likely fix it. Or just teach your right foot to move slower!
     
  7. Same thing happened to me , It turned out to be a flat cam. Hope you have something easier.
     
  8. xtralow
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    I got the same issue with my 283, we cannot get the thing timed!!! last time I ran it, it back fired through the carb and I had a small engine fire!:mad:

    I am going to follow this thread, I am curious too!
     
  9. PASTDUEBILL
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    Unfortunately thats what I'm thinking. Will rounded lobes show up on a compression test? I've got a 500 edlebrock on another motor that I'm going to try this week. Then I can eliminate the carb. I had a pontiac motor with strong valve springs and rhodes lifters(remember those) that wore out lobes on a new cam and backfired through carb.
     
  10. noboD
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    And the crowd hushed in antisipation.
     
  11. ocfab
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    what do the plugs look like ( white, brown, black, wet,dry,)
     
  12. PASTDUEBILL
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    It idles fine, and after it pops it revs smooth. I don't floor it. It's got a banjo and a 3 speed. But I do wind it. It could be the acc pumps. Is there a rule for setting the springs on the pumps? Also disconnecting rear pump is a good idea for testing.
     
  13. xtralow
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    I have this same carb on mine,brand new! sorry to say but I do not think either of us have carb problems! ..... I think 2dueces64 might be on to something.
     
  14. noboD
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    OK engine guys, does this sound like the dreaded lack of zinc problem??
     
  15. PASTDUEBILL
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    Glad you get a good yuck outta my misfortune. Anyway plugs look good. Pulled the r43s and put in r45s.
     
  16. I think it needs more cow bell.


    But seriously, I do think it's a lean condition.
     
  17. Sounds like acelerator pump .
     
  18. 40Standard
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    it's out of time
     
  19. PASTDUEBILL
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    Are cow bells traditional enough? It doesn't smoke like its rich. A 283 with close to 300hp ought to handle 600 cfm. Maybe the acc pumps are squirting too much too soon. I've got 3 dueces ready to go on it, but I want to figure this out before I complicate it by 3.
     
  20. hotrod-Linkin
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    mine was a bad cam too!!!
     
  21. hoarder1212
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    This is going to sound stupid but have you checked the firing order? I have seen sbc's with 5 and 7 crossed that sound ok until there revved a bit. Just a thought.
     
  22. what is the Curve in the Dist if its 12 degress that the Timming should be bet 36-38 totall at 3000 rpm
     
  23. sdluck
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    Pull the valve covers off and ck how far valves open, if ok try to re adjust the valves.Is the dist advance working,why is it timed at 3000 rpms?
     
  24. a 600 double pumper is Too Much for a 300 hp engine on my Stock 327/300 hp I have a AFB and works Great
     
  25. PASTDUEBILL
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    You mean cam gear outta time or distributer outta time?
    I did the finger in the plug hole tdc. Then set timing at 3000rpm. After the mechanical advance kicked in. I think its at 28 deg. Other than the popping, it runs and idles good. Thats why I'm not thinking vacuum leak. Could I be a tooth off on the cam?
     
  26. on the Damper it should be 12 degrees at Idle or a Total of 36-38 at 3000 rpm
     
  27. The Dist is out of time
     
  28. PASTDUEBILL
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    You guys are a lot of help. I'll set timing at 12 deg. Put the smaller edlebrock carb on. I think I'm going to loosen all the rockers and set valves again cold. I might bhave valves too tight. Then I'll watch to see if they all open all the way.
     
  29. Your Mallory Dist comes with a Curve chart to tell you what to set the Timming at
     
  30. if you losen the Rockers first set the Timming Last! since the Valves alter the Timming
     

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