I tend to agree, I'd bet he is seeing the Ford casting numbers, which show only the first year of design, not the actual production date. Just like my '52 F-1 came with an 8RT ('48 part number) flat V8, with '48 being the year they made the change to the late-model flattie. Almost all my ch***is parts are 8****x ('48 design).
I bought what I thought was a 1970 Torino</ST2 4 door back in 1977 at a fleet sale. The company that I bought it from had these cars since they were new. I got the thing home and was doing the once over with my Dad and I noticed that the badges on one side were <ST2Torino</ST2 and the other side were Falcon. When I pointed it out to my Dad (who worked for Ford for 35 years), he just smiled and said thats how they came from the factory. He went on to say that he remembered the memo/bulletin that <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas:contacts" /><st1:Sn w:st="on">Ford</st1:Sn> had sent out to the dealers advising them to expect some of these and to make corrections as necessary. He joked about it and commented that it might be worth something someday. I just replied a short yea, right. Nothing else special about the car except that. I drove the wheels off it and eventually sold it.
Production runs are from mid-July to late June, generally, with a two-week changeover period in late June for the ***embly lines to incorporate model and styling changes. Production on most US and Canadian auto and truck lines starts in late July of the CALENDAR year for the following MODEL year. So, for example, an engine with a casting date of August 2, 1958 is for a 1959 car or truck. New car and truck introductions were (and still are) in September for nearly all makers, with some waiting until October. Same thing applies to "numbers-matching" restos - the casting or build dates of parts MUST be earlier than the scheduled build date of the vehicle for it to truly be a "numbers-matching" vehicle. Beginning in model year 1962, California was the first State to have emission standards, consisting of a PCV valve and an oil breather. The Federal emissions standards followed in model year 1968. Engines that were "extra" on a given line that did not meet the following years' requirements were relegated to the replacement/warranty engine inventories and were not just "slapped in" any vehicle to make up any differences/shortfalls/"use up the parts" in production. Extra parts were like additional engines - put into the new parts distribution network.
Keep in mind, many States and Provinces ***led the car for the year it originally SOLD, not necessarily the model year that it was manufactured. This was a semi-common thing, up to the late '50s. So, if a new car sat on a lot for a full year, then it sold, it was ***led by the State as the year it sold, not the build year/date.
They ARE the same casting. Both are the same bore, with a different stroke. The cranks are different (3.00" stroke for the 283 vs. 3.25" for the 307) - the blocks are the same (3.875" bore)
My dad's the second owner for a 66 impala, 4 speed SS with the 427 390hp in it. purchased from a reverend in the early 80's....rev purchased it new and somehow a 396 block got stuffed with 427 parts....didn't last long and it went in for warranty work....my dad now has the letters from GM stating the mistake....not quite a numbers matching car, but the block is dated correct....
Yeah, it sure looks like alotta BS but the stories I could but shouldn't tell... Things I don't have trouble saying... **** happens, parts are loaded in sequence to installed on line, it's not a perfect world and people working opposite sides of the line aren't watching to see what's up, or the seq. num. alla time and **** slips by. That's no excuse for an endline inspector but They are heavily pressured to buy off on anything that can get out the door as mgmt knows it'll then become a dealer's problem. That's corporate business, **** rolls downhill and there's no trouble unless it's delivered to a customer. Sometimes were you to drive out back of the ***y plant you'll see one model built on one side or x-number doors and something different but of the same line built onto the other side. That stuff never gets outside the gates. You can't expect everything to go right alla time when running volume. That said, I have a 78 Volare Super Coupe (one of 461 built) that still slipped out with the wrong grille. It also has T-Tops which were unavailable on these cars which were built as limited edition sales bank cars, not ordered, due to the standard for this car E-58 police interceptor drivetrain pkg. I got it from orig owner, have copy of orig ***le, and All paperwork stating several anomolies.
couple of oddballs I owned: '54 Corvette - Frame stamped serial #239, then the last three digits were **X'd out, restamped #241. The steering column tag and ***le were both #241. As a side note: by chance a couple years later I was able to buy #240 '57 Chevy Sedan Delivery with windows - This was a Navy (military) car and had a very early build date. The original color was gray with a green interior. The interior was deluxe 1956 with a split back (bench) front seat and it also had a back seat. Another feature was an ususual amout of sound deadening material under the carpet and WAY more than normal undercoating.
Dealers would "update" unsold cars, especially last years' cheap models. I had a '56 Plymouth "DeLuxe" Suburban with 1955 Sportone #2 trim added before it was sold new ... same with a '51 Chev Fleetline Special 4 door I still have - it had '49-'50 DeLuxe trim on the fenders & doors, a '51 DeLuxe steering wheel, & skirts with '41 Buick "wings" added to sell it.
Not an odd ball. I have a '52 Studebaker pick-up. The first owner kept extremely extensive notes from when he purchased the truck new from Buckley Bros. until his death. Parts change as things wear out… December 12, 1959: New head. <O<OAugust 11, 1966: Radiator from other pickup installed. Rear-end from other pickup installed but brake cylinders, brakes, wheel drums, axels, hydraulic line, and emergency brake cable not replaced. <O May 19, 1969: New Head.<O <O Etc, etc.
There must be something to this because I sold an original Ford tire pressure guage in its original leather pouch to a collector...The guage had 1927 Model A on it.The collector told me they didn,t make that car fr sale but maybe they made a few..... "wikepedia says they were made!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_A_(1927) Rare however (only 4,186 Ford Model A cars were ***embled in 1927).
Total BS...... If you have do***entation or proof PM me P.S. the 67-8 Disc's Rare in there own right. would have been the 4 piston calipers. which take Obsolete pads. which to replace you need to have relined. every car ....EVERY CAR (except non driven restored models) has been swapped over 69 and up is a DIRECT replacement.......also are you running a single mastercyl on those discs..... yeah I didnt think so...... P.S. I have a Factory freak "X" car with all the do***entaion for proof. so Im interrested in Legit others. mine POP(warantee information) says 421 Tri power, factory invoice says 326 2 bbl, and it had 389 4 bbl. "X" cars were pilot cars and were supposed to be destroyed at the plant(not released to the public). Yep the do get out every once in a while.........But again some of you guys are GULLABLE
I have to think that if you're the inspector at the end of the line and all you do all day long is look at the exact same cars by the hundreds, once in a while your brain is going to be a little numb from it and you'll miss that the Camaro has a Firebird badge on one side, or the GMC pickup has a tailgate that reads Chevrolet. Particularly if you went out drinking the night before and these are the first few cars to come off the line in the morning -
My uncle bought a 67 ford pk new. after over 100,000 miles we decided to put new rings and rod bearings in the old 352 . It knocked like crazy when we got done . Come to find out the rods were .020 undersize the mains and the bore were standard.OldWolf
Like said before ... some of the prior stuff sounds like a LOT of BS ... I had a new, " low bid, county government special " F-250 Ford ... It was issued to me ... with less than 50 delivery only miles on it. The county government I worked for got it brand new. It had one chrome outside mirror and one black outside mirror. No biggie ... I did not even notice it for a week or two until I washed the truck. About 3 months later I had a flat tire. The F-250 had a standard F-150 spare tire and rim ( would not even come close to working ... 5 lugs ). Now that was a biggie ... As I was 15 miles from nowhere ... with no spare. Central Maintenance Gargage had to call a rollback and take the F-250 back to the shop. I was without a truck for 3 days ... until government paperwork was worked out, a Purchase Order issued and a new F-250 rim and tire purchased. True story ...
Don't know if this counts. My 65 C10 and 69 ss396 chevelle were both "Z" built, which is the fremont plant. According to the build sheet on my 65, Fremont lists Buick Olds Pontiac as what they make. Not necessarily a mismatch but I found it interesting.
When AMC discontinued the Metropolitan, the last cars built were 1960 models. Well, 1961 model year rolls around and they still have Metros. Solution? Call them 1961 cars! This also happened with a very few cars that were sold as 1962 Metros. They were actually 1960 cars. No changes were made to any of them, other than calling them a '61 or '62. www.hoosiermets.com My dad and his brother ordered identical 1969 C-20 Chevy pickups. Same everything, no differences whatsoever! Both trucks arrive at the dealership; the owner and my Dad and uncle are very good friends with. Both trucks have 350 4-bbl engines, 4-speeds, and both are identical green and white Camper Specials with the buckskin interior. They had sequential VIN numbers, too, so one followed right behind the other on the ***embly line. BUT... My Uncle's truck would not run at all on regular gas - HAD to have premium! Dad's truck ran great on regular. My Uncle's truck had a GMC tailgate on it, which the dealer rectified immediately. Dad's said Chevrolet. Little things, but still different!
We did the body work for a Chev dealer for years, and there have been a couple of instances like this. A new 80 Chev pickup with all Chev badges, including the horn ****on, on the left side and all GMC badges, including the glove box and tailgate, on the right. We had to change it all to Chev before it could be sold. We also found a rattle in a late 60's Impala that wouldn't go away. Big clunk every time the brakes were used or hit a bump, coming from the left door area. There was a small Coke bottle hanging in the well behind the kick panel, suspended on a wire (this is a brand new car, just off the delivery truck). Something had to keep those ***embly line guys entertained.
they still do this stuff with new vehicles. in 2001 hyundai stopped making the tiburon in preparation for the new (and still current) body style, production lagged and sales on the previous model were slow. solution? delay current model year and sell the 2001 models as the 02 stock.
Ford would use some of there left over parts on the truck line or use up stock at hand. A good friend has a March of 1930 ***le on his Ford truck. It uses 28-29 fenders and cowl and rad. but uses 30-31`quick style gas and rad caps on the earlier hardware. Will try to post pics shortly
I kinda knew this guy who had a mid-seventies Chevy 4x4 truck, I got to lookin at, and the sum***** had a corvair fender on p***enger side, he said it came like that 'cause they sold sooooo many of those trucks that they run out of fenders. It also had a 9 inch rear end, go figure, but then, he opens the hood, ****in' blue flame six! I was like; get outta town! He ordered it that way, you could pretty much order anything back then. I got pictures somewhere.
My first new vehicle was a 1974 Ford F250 4x4 and it came from the factory with F100 emblems, and was the biggest pos I ever owned.
No way dude! My mom had a 95 ****** Wagon with a 427 dual quad side oiler in it! Guess they ran out of 1.9's! WTF is wrong with people.
Ha ha, nice. Are you sure it was a side oiler? It might have been just a 390. FWIW. IMHO. Check the VIN.
No way, my uncle's cousin had a corvair with a truck fender! Do you still have a copy of your ***le? I bet they're sequential VINs! You think the automakers are bad, shoulda seen the **** AMF was producing back when they owned harley. I bought a bowling ball, opened the bag and found half a ****ing panhead.
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