Well Deyomatic just picked up a turbo for my Valient sutto gasser and was wondering what some thoughts are about turbos and their benefits and downfalls. Any suggestions would be great to. -Jesse
Next month ,whatever issue comes out in late Oct early Nov. HOT ROD mag is starting a 3 part series of how to turbo any car. Starting with the basics and moving into installs in parts 2 and 3 . Whatever you think about HR it still might be worth a peek at the newstand to see if you can use the info. At a buck an issue a subscribtion is cheap entertainment.
Hey man, there's an awesome internet resource for DIY turbo stuff, http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/jyturbo/ It's the old Junk Yard Turbo list. Guys on there have turboed just about anything. Single, twins, drawthrough, blow-trough, EFI, you name it. They can tell you what turbos will work with what, what they came on initially, where to find em, and how to hook it all up. One guy on there's got a mid 60s Belvedere with a twin turbo 440 in it. Sweet ride! He's even got the ricer "Got Boost" license plate frame... hahaha.
It is a 225 Slant 6, and the turbo came off of an 80s Dodge Omni/Daytona/ etc. I believe it is a Garret "T1." It belonged to my neighbor but he had about 7 different turbos in his garage and rattled off "T1, TE04, T2, and T3" so much in the five minutes that I was there, I thought I was getting a sneak preview of who was sponsoring Sesame Street this week. It is quite a bit LONGER than my Mitsubishi turbos.
Most of the mid 90s dodges use small "T3"s. Those are popular for twin setups on a V-8. It may be a little small for your 6. Maybe scrounge another and build a twin setup, or sell that and use the funds to pick up a Grand National turbo from someone that's "stepping up." You gotta remember, factory turbos will be on the small side for that particular application to have faster "spool-up" times, etc. So a single stock 4-cyl turbo will be really small on a 6. IMHO.
The T1's spool up very quick but dont offer much on the higher boost end. i dont know what psi you are planning on running but that turbo should be perfect for street use. not too much lag...theres a bunch of cool lillte tricks you can do to get more power out of them so let me know when you have it installed.
also if you really are serious about turboing your car...you might want to look around the junk yard for a turbo out of an early mitsubishi eclipse, plymouth laser or eagle talon..you can find them for cheap
RatPack, I've got the stock 14B from my Eclipse on the shelf. I'm saving that for me. I can honeslty say I've never seen one at a junkyard, but I imagine they hide them inside. Last I knew the going rate for one was $100-200 depending on condition. Mine has about 130k and a few 12 second runs on it, but it still feels pretty tight. This T1 was one of several that my neighbor had lying around. I think the idea with this one is that the turbo is small, at first. The 225, from what I gather, is still mostly stock, so I don't think Jesse wants a big ass turbo melting anything. I'm guessing that we should start around 8 PSI and what (hopefully nothing) shakes out. Depending on how much of a bitch it is to take it apart, I'd like to do a little port job on the housings. From talking to Jesse, it seems the plan is to run an O2 sensor and A/F gauge (my vote is for the cheapie from Darren Dawes) just to make tuning easier and to make sure it has enough fuel that nothing melts. He wanted a draw through design, but space is kind of limited, so the carb plan right now is a 500CFM Holley 2bbl with a blow through configuration. He is also thinking about using an inline electric fuel pump and a vacuum dependent FP regulator. Keep the suggestions coming.
8psi is a good point to start at and you will probably end up staying there...you should be able to make some pretty noticeable gains on that psi. they are not hard to take apart...its gettin em back together right. theres alot of fragile parts inside and even if you put a tiny nick on em you can throw off the whole balance...at least thats what i've found on some of the bigger turbos i've dealt with. just make sure your gettin enough fuel. i believe the T1's were not intercooled so you wont have to worry about that. if your friend has more turbos why not get another one off him and make it a twin turbo setup? then you can run a lower psi and have more "reliable" horsepower.
I want twins because of the quicker spool up times but I have "limited" engine bay clearance, and the height is the biggest problem(my hood slants down on both sides). I did acouple measurements and a suck through is outta the question(I was guessing on tubo dimensions of 12x6"). The cosenses is that a t3 is verging on being to big for street driving with a stock stall(this coming from www.slantsix.org ). -Jesse
don't use a t3 unless you plan on "building" the motor...by the time you reach full boost you will be WAY revved out. have you looked into a t25 or 16g?? the t25's are stock on later model mitsubishi's
Is there a reason <besides money> why a V-8 swap would not work better for cars more power needs ? You may also spend some serious bucks making the aplication fit rather than do an engine/ swap.Just a thought ...
I'm assuming that the T25s are smaller than this one, just from my Mitsubishi days, alot of those 1995 and up guys would put the stock 14b from the earlier models on as an upgrade from the T25. Jesse, I don't think you'll have to worry about spool up for a number of reasons. You will have 6 cylinders pushing this thing, instead of only 4, it is fairly small, you have an automatic, and the hose from the turbo to the intake will be pretty short, and if it is only running at 8-12 PSI, it won't take a long time to get there. The best thing about your car is the auto, you'll be able to put it in 1st, hold the brake, and have full boost before the light goes green.
Scooter, I think with a little fabrication, this could be on the street for less than $200. Plus, it'll be a little different. This way, when my Ford is still quicker, he can use the excuse that he's only got 6 cyls!!!
So when you going to turbo your Ferd? Hey this alone would put me in the 16's so you better get to work then, just wait till I put 3.55's in the rear instead of my 2.76's, and add a 2 bbl, I could prolly get in the 15's(would that be bad ass or what). -Jesse
[ QUOTE ] I'm assuming that the T25s are smaller than this one, just from my Mitsubishi days, alot of those 1995 and up guys would put the stock 14b from the earlier models on as an upgrade from the T25. [/ QUOTE ] I dont think they are physically smaller just smaller housings impellers..etc. ALOT of people switch these out for 16g's etc..thats why i was saying you could find some for cheap. the key to this setup will definitely be the stall converter..it will definitely be cool though cant wait to hear more about it
Oh okay , I think the V-2 hundered(like the new name)will kick your FORDs ass, you can't even keep fluid in the rear end. -Jesse
Yeah, but my 200 hp is going through some low low gears, at the moment. The checkered flag is mine, as long as we stay off the highway.
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