Homebuilt Quickchange... looking for old how to or drawings from old hot rod mags

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131240&highlight=homebuilt+quickchange

 

Thanks ... but I seen all of that already , looking for articals from old mags ,books or new pics.

 

There is a fellow that goes by the name Fronty or Fonty on aol. I have his full aol name on my address list. He wrote a book on 4 banger modifications and contacted me when someone sent him a copy of my article on the Klentz. I have something he sent me. Last time I spoke to him he was going to write a book on quick change rears and wanted what I had on the Klentz. He was looking up every obscure QC ever made plus the usual ones we all know about.I'm not in my room now so can't look up what he might have sent me but will see if I can contact him and p*** this forum link onto him. He is a wealth of information. Like I said, I haven't corresponded with him in a while. I'll be a bit busy this weekend but will do what I can Monday, if not before.

 

OK, found what he sent on Rajo heads, McDowell Racing heads, (16 valves) Riley heads and Ardon V8 heads and conversion kits.

I E-mailed him with the forum link and thread and some info. Here's hoping he drops in on us. He is a wealth of information about vintage speed equipment going back to Jimmy Frankland Indy cars. Frankland then began developing his speed equipment business in 1953 which produced the QC rear.

The man has much to offer us. Keep your fingers crossed.

 

I found a couple of articles from Street Rodder in the Noverber '98 issue and the march '99 issue. Maybe this will help. If anybody has more articles on this subject, could you please scan them. I have an intrest in this subject also.
Thanks, Roger

 

Hi

Do you have those scans in better resolution. If you could e-mail me the scans I'd be very pleased.

Thanks,
Magnus

 

jamie frankland of frankland fame is still building the old stuff in Balm,Fl.
his business is called 'frankland welding".

 

....'course, if you can do this machining and fab, you can mockup a stock center section with mods, and cast it all in aluminum....

 

Here's some info that I've ac***ulated about building your own QC.

In my opinion you're further ahead if you can find an original. Here's a Frankland that I found recently---less the lower shaft. The seller had another one and they both went cheap.
http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512975&stc=1&d=1223768009

If you decide to fab your own from scratch you'll need to find a cover unless you can cast your own. Here's a recast Highland Machine Co. cover and a Frankland. Theyr'e nearly identical.
http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512976&stc=1&d=1223772298

This is an old Atkinson catalog that's really a compilation of magazine articles, mostly from American Rodder.
http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512977&stc=1&d=1223772298

And this is a little mag called "Rod Builder and Customizer" from October '57. It has a great breakdown of a Parham QC which I believe was made in the pacific NW. It's worth trying to find a copy. I saw one on Ebay earlier today.
http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512978&stc=1&d=1223772298

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512979&stc=1&d=1223772298

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512980&stc=1&d=1223772298

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=512981&stc=1&d=1223772298

 

This is great stuff !!!.... thanks guys!!!!....

 

The Klentz with QC in back: Found the pics in the McMullen roadster feature in PHR. Forgot to note date, but probably '64. HRM had just featured the car in its old dress with early Ford running gear, this was its first post-rebuild feature.
It had a Chevy rear on quarter elliptics. The Klentz had been found as unmachined castings...rear casting was a bell that replaced the welded-on steel dome of the Chevy rear, tapering back to a QC unit at rear that looks just like the change box on a Halibrand. There is also a front casting, I think, very poorly shown, replacing the Chevy lump. esumably changes were needed to get lower shaft to correct level. Innards involved Chevy axles, early Ford R&P. Article notes that this Klentz existed in only a handful of castings.

 

I had mentioned sending off an e-mail to the fellow that was writing a book on obscure QC rears and such. I have not heard back from him. It has been a while since I spoke to him last. I am hoping he is doing well and shows up here on the forum and in this thread.
Thanks for the added info on the Klentz QC, Bruce.

 

A bit of useless information: MANY years ago I called Atkinson in Idaho and asked him if he knew anything about a constructed-quickie I had just bought. The name on the aluminum rear cover said DAVID, and it was made from an A banjo. He had never heard of it before.

A year or so later the article comes out talking about him and old quickies, with a list of all the obscure brands he knew about. There was "DAVID", my one and only!

Ended up selling the quickie back to the guy I bought it from, Dutch Eshelman. He was giving it to his nephew from Texas to put in a restored sprint car. Hope it has a good home now. I've never heard of or seen another DAVID quickchange.

 

Just for information that picture shows the manufactured in shop quickchange on the rear axle. Sorry for the quality but that is a scan out of the 1949 Bonneville program.

I am the guy on the Left, the third guy is my brother, and Paul is bending over the rod.

It was built of 2 pieces of 1 1/2 steel and machined for the gears, change was by the front of the system.

traderjack

 

Wow...somehow the "Newbie" label doesn't seem to fit you! Do you have photographs of those days??

 

Not too mny. too many moves , tot many kids, too many photo alboms, and not enough time.
Had my first rod 70 years ago. My older brother had one 85 years ago, and my next older brother had one 75 years ago. and my father raced harleys 90 years ago.

But that is long past as I can not lift the things any more.

traderjack

 

Traderjack - Do you remember anything about the front brakes on Paul Schiefer's car? From the pics I have seen, it appears to have smooth aluminum backing plates and drums?

Thanks,

Neal

And sorry to derail the QC post.

 

Here are the photos of the Thompson. There is a letter from Red Thompson that talks about the QC but no details about the build.

Bart

 

Found much new info on Klentz...will post soon.

 

That's great, I never heard back from Kem. He was an open encyclopedia of QC rears. I hope he's OK. I never see him on my buddy list but then again, I'm not on messenger much anyway.

 

I may be off topic a bit here, but, I've been scouring the net for QCs. Stock cars use the hell out of them, and I have seen them on Craigslist selling anywhere from $400 or $1800 or so. Just a thought. I've called about a few of them, but the sellers are shy, and don't want to return my calls. Anyone seen any center sections that don't cost $2500? I'm getting my powder coated banjo this weekend, and think a QG would be sweet in it.

 

Interesting pictures. I wonder how the pinion is supported or even put in that unit at all? Double bearings or something? Pretty neat piece. Interesting that the torque tube is integrated into the unit.... obviously for a midget or something with a short wheelbase.

Thanks for posting Bart!

 

Posted the Klentz article info here: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302957&highlight=klentz

Just noting it since it immediately went to page 99...

 

Thanks Bruce, here it is.
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I just found some information on the Klentz quick change rears recently discussed here: The source is a book "Hot Rod Ideas" by race car historian Griffith Borgeson and Wayne Thomas, Arco pub 1961.
The little chapter on Klentz shows two basic models for Chevy rears, a front-mount requiring driveshaft removal for change an a rear-mount as used on the McMullen deuce roadster after its circa-1963 rebuild.
The front mount is not the earlier Ford banjo slow-change that bolted between the rear end and the driveshaft, it is a one-piece casting containing the change box and a large flange th fit in place of the Chevy pumpkin; it was to be used with an accessory finned rear casting, and used early Ford R&P and carrier with Chevy spider gears and axles. The rear mount model consisted of a large casting containing a QC box just like a Halibrand on an integral large flange to go on the rear of the Chevy rear and a finned front casting designed to drop the quill shaft location to a suitable level. It also used the same Chevy/Ford internals.
There was also an aluminum center housing to allow use of these on fabricated independent rears...
The rear-change at least is incredibly rare; I read somewhere (??) that only a handfull were cast, and that McMullens was built from some unfinished castings found in a racecar shop.
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Damn if I can remember but I am fairly sure that it was the good old 40 Ford hydraulics as the idea of no front brakes on a hotrod was fairly strange then.

Don't take my word on it though!

traderjack

 

Okay, I was wrong, there were no front brakes on the car! Just saw a picture of it from the front on AHRA photo 169 of hotrods.

Traderjack

 

Frankland homebuilt on the 'Bay that is about to end. You can check out more pictures of it.... I've got nothing to do with the auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380078794785 (You're welcome DS!)

 

http://millerdesignmfg.com/original_construction_006.htm

found this while looking for something else. Click previous, and see how they made it...different...and apparently it works...not sure about street use

 

Put my "Speed Demon" under the car tonight for a little mockup