Looking for info on using a Graham Supercharger on a 4 banger or V8 Flattie

Looking for pics, and technical info (the latter more so) of setups and usages of the Graham supercharger on either a 4 banger engine (model A-B) or a V8 Flathead engine. I recently picked up one from 36-37.

Thanks a million guys!
Have a great day fellas!

 

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About a month ago, a guy had a post on here about (I think) a supercharged flathead. The supercharger was from a '53 or '54 Kaiser Manhatten. The Kaisers ran a 226" continental 6 cylinder that I believe was very similar to the engine in the late '30's Grahams. Do a search and see if you can find it. The owner never said it was from a Kaiser, but the verbage cast into the main supercharger body made it obvious. I've had a few beers today (watching my Alma Mater Minnesota Gophers win a real Big Ten football game), or I'd find it for you myself. Good luck.

The Tubman

 

lets see a pic of this charger???

was it a hershey find??

I didnt see that in your kart.. Perhaps you did better than Me??? (but I didnt give up my finds yet)

PS.. feeling extra BUFF from pulling that "B" block around all day??

 

Thank you very much for your post,...I'll take a gander and see if I can find that thread,...Thank you for your help.

 

?? I posted something similar last month.,3 rd person to go and try it,,lol ( note to self never post ideas again ) you mount it same as you would on The Graham 6 ,V8 really has no room

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=297968&highlight=push+pull

 

Yep, a Hershey find,...I'll get a pick for ya tomorrow....

The guy I bought it from reminded me of Woddy Allen,..awesome to talk wtih,..I kept having flashbacks to the movie "Sleeper" going on in my head! HA!

Aw man,...I'm paying for all that insane amount of walking around with the Mrs.!!! I messed up my ankle a bit before Hershey and holy ****,...its killing me now!! Yeah Thank God for Pete's little respite home away from home every night!!! HA!!!

 

I saw that one when i started to see if there was anything around on grahams,...what were you doing with that one? I couldn't recognize the engine??

hey did you find any Buffalo wires yet?
I had looked here and there at Hershey and found some but gasped at the prices,...I'm a little unfamilair with them,...as you are. glad to see we're getting some good solid info on that T thread eh??

Yeah so what did ya find on that Graham you were fiddlin with??

 

You can fit on just about and 4 or 6 ,,have to make a support bracket for the drive shaft. Then an oiling source I have the book for em if you need diagrams and such

 

hmmm intersting,.....

yeah i found a book on them at Hershey,...way to much dough for it,...if you have the diagrams that's be great!

Thanks in advance.

 

Theres a complete one of these for sale now on Ebay, as of Oct 12. I think the auction ends in a week. It's item number 320309249011. Wonder how it would look on a straight six Chevy ?

 

Well in case you're curious,... the idea was given birth for me when I saw an old photo of a Graham on an engine,..think it was a 4 cylinder,..ir was a very old photo,..prewar.

 

ROFL ,,They came on straight 6 's ,,and they are all pre-war..34-40 I belive ...but hey whatever

also mounting on an A is most likely not doable as the oil tube will be in teh way ,,also not threaded bosses on the side to mount. So you will need to fab some form of mounting brackets
also teh length of the shaft will need to be changed ,plus the clearance for the bottom of the saucer from top of the motor and plugs,distributor

few thing to toss around as far as a start

 

I know they didnt come one 4 cyls from the factory,..I was only talking about an engine that had one on it,...as in a modified engine,....can't seem to find the photo of it though now,....figures!! he, he...

 

Years ago one showed up at Bonneville on a Willys flathead four powered shortened model A spectator car. Really neat. I think it was featured in Popular Hot Rod at one time and was a really old hot rod that had been brought back.

 

yep that was my plan ,,though I have seen the Willys motor come a few different ways. Saw one where intake exhaust were all on the other side of the motor .or perhaps it was a continental motor

 

I put one on a '37 dodge flathead and haven't had much trouble with it. I run it 1:1 off of the crank, I didn't want to spin it too fast since it is 70 years old. It makes about 3-4psi of boost. They were originally designed for economy and not perfomance. I was told that it is important to have at least 5psi of oil at all times. There is a bolt on the front of the case that is tapped for an oil pressure fitting. That is where I plumbed in my pressure gauge to. The oil drains back in to the crankcase via the hole on the mounting surface. I found a guy in Arizona that laser cuts gaskets for them but can't remember his name. Also, the two fittings near the carb mount are to run engine coolant through. On cool days, the base of the carb will ice up due to the pressure drop.



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I made all of the mounting brackets and the pulley mount. I used a GM steering rag joint to connect the pulley drive shaft to the input shafts.

 

Looks good and crowded ,,lo Yeah the Mopar 6 is close to the Graham. How do you like the performance of it ?

 

*******... I got one in the works too! Its aways off as i have more projects in front of that one.

Ok, enough of this Hamb ****... I gotta get outside, I've got so much to do... see ya!

 

Here is mine, 30's Graham... but you've seen em before.

It will be awhile before I get it on.
Homever said not much boost is right... More for running something different.

I've got some ideas though...

 

Cool,..looks swell! Yeah I've had the idea on and off for over a year now,..just thought I woudn'yt go running after one, if I found it cool,..if not,..that was fine. But yeah, i picked one up at hershey. missing the gearing at the bottom of the cast iron housing though,...

 

Here is some good info on Graham superchargers...

http://www.google.com/patents?id=25...&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1#PPA1937,M1

http://www.google.com/patents?id=7J...100&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1#PPA3,M1

Looks like a neat idea. Keep us posted on your progress (all of you ).

 

Jason, Is there a new car in the works?

 

I sold the one I had at the drags. Was gonna put it on a 346 Caddy flathead.
I've heard the tolerences are hard to set on them and thatspecial tools are needed to align them. There was a guy rebuilding them at one time, but his website is gone now.

 

There are lots of "ideas" floating around the mind right now..... just ahve to settle on one and go with it! HA!
Imagination is a beautiful thing!

 

Thanks for all the input guys,....much appreciated!

 

Graham advertised them for their efficiency by saying that you got "8 cylinder" performance from a "6 cylinder" because of the Supercharger. In fact, the 1940 supercharged Graham was the fastest stock American car 0-60. The difference between their blown and unblown engines was 25hp, 100 to 125. Some guy in Washington state drove a 40 Hollywood off the showroom floor and won some sort of circle track race the next day. The cars had very peppy performance if their era.

I will say that if the bottom end gears are no good then my understanding is the blower is only good for parts. There is no source for new ones.

I think I said this in the last Graham thread, but my idea was to run two of them in tandem on a straight eight Packard. The displacement of the big packard 9 bearing engine bored would be just about twice the Graham. The only tricky part is the machine work on the forward blower to mount the drive for the second one.

 

Suhrsc might know something about this... PM him, maybe he can help...

 

[I think I said this in the last Graham thread, but my idea was to run two of them in tandem on a straight eight Packard. The displacement of the big packard 9 bearing engine bored would be just about twice the Graham. The only tricky part is the machine work on the forward blower to mount the drive for the second one.[/quote]
Cliff Williamson at Der Meece Machine has done just such a twin Graham setup on a Graham engine. PM if you want contact info.

 

Has anyone put one on a Model A 4 banger? I've had that idea in my head, but I likely haven't thought of everything? Any ideas?