ANyone have any experience with SCAT cranks?

I am talking about a **** crank in a SBC in a heavy duty application, racing etc. Any experience?

Thanks

 

I'm running an Eagle in mine. Not lightend or knife edged or any of that stuff. Just a typical, run-o-the mill "cheap" forged crank. Standard snout. ($700 range)
I think I chose the Eagle over the **** was because the supplier was running a special on em @ the time. (I did go w/ **** rods though)
Don't know that my application is exactly "heavy duty", but it has survived stacking 7-13 lbs boost, for 3 years. Beating on it @ the strip 2-3 times a year etc.
I have removed it twice. Once to replace a couple of burned pistons & once to cut an additional keyway in the snout.
So far so good. I figure that the **** & the Eagle are of about the same integrity.

 

I've been running one in a 385 for 12 years, no problems

 

ran em in my VW midgets. Was the best unit you could get at the time

 

OK DW convinced me....he beats on his regularly. haha

 

I use both **** and eagle. I can say they have both improved a ton in the last 5 years. **** makes a crank for all purposes and price ranges. Eagle has the same thing going on but they have more strokes to choose from and more stroke is a good thing !! >>>>.

 

Alot of it is going to depend on how hard you are going to beat on it and which **** that you buy. I am running a **** 4340 crank with their H-beam rods in my BBC. I have about 30 minutes on the dyno and 30 p***es shifting at 6800 rpm. So far so good.

 

The company has been around for decades and has an excellent reputation.

 

I have ran **** rods but never a crank.

 

**** makes good a crankshaft, but i'd go for winberg crank.
http://www.winbergcrankshafts.com

 

I've ran Eagles and ****s, both in circle track motors.

They both saw 8300 rpm twice a lap, for ~75 laps a night, 22 nights a season, for four seasons a piece, and not a complaint one out of them.

I even broke a rod on that Eagle and had to have it straightened and reground, and it's still going strong. That crank will be part of the rotating ***embly that will go into a 410 sbc for my '36 when I get that far.

Pretty hard to beat either brand with the quality and toughness you get for the money you pay.

 

****, Eagle, or Cola crank , Can't go wrong ,I have ran all three. Your application will determine the price !

 

**** and Eagle both get here on a boat, but that's politics. Quality wise they work.
Larry T

 

not true. the billets for the cranks do, but that's it. all the machine work is done stateside, and the castings/forgings are made AT SEA on what is basically a floating foundry. The sad part is that it is the only way for it to work and still turn a profit without a drastic increase in parts.

All of this info was gleaned from an article in Hot Rod a few Years back. I remember it well because so many engine builders were complaining about how "everyone" went overseas...when the truth of the matter was, they have no choice in the matter.

Aluminum is a different story...except for Alcoa just effectively went ***s up.

But I digress....

**** makes a quality part for a good price. I prefer Eagle only Just slightly, but that is only because they cover a wider range of motors.
I have never seen a broken **** crank (well, that wasn't shot out of the bottom of something, but that was hardly the cranks fault...leaky Nitrous solenoids can make for a whole lot of troble once You cross the 500 inch barrier. )
For a small block application...You're not going to be able to hurt it unless You have either a terrible machinist, or install it with a sledgehammer. even then, I would bet You would get at least 10 p***es out of it.

 

Ran the forged ones in dirt modified, broke 3 cast GM cranks. Never broke a forged **** and twisted it 7300-7800 in 625 hp configuration and it was the cheap one 599 dollars I think.

 

Just watch out for the copy-cat called "CAT" with a curvy figure of a cat in front of the C to confuse you.

 

I've known Tom (who owns ****) for years, a top knotch guy. And he's really big into old cars.

 

Same here. Good stuff. just remember to get the right crank for the HP/application.

 

What a shame, another ****ing sellout. Expected better from SEMA.

 

used **** cranks in a couple motors. no crank failures to date.

 

The hell of it is though, that foundries in the States are getting damned hard to come by, and those that are still left are only taking the hella lucrative casting and forging work.

Good value, low production number forged crankshafts for racers and hot rodders is not real high up on the profit margin totem pole, so it gets bumped from the docket. With so few places left in the US that can do the work they need done, they either have to wait their turn (which may never come), or pay enough for the parts so the foundry wants to make a place in line for them. They could be US made, but they'd never sell another crank, 'cause at that point you'd be over the price of one cut from bar stock (and those are retardedly expensive as it is).

It ****s, but I'd much rather see them import a forged piece and do the value added work here where they can keep an eye on the material properties and finish standards, instead of just importing the whole deal and chucking it in a box.

If it were me, I'd be looking at Korean foundries, but I'm sure they got a better deal in China.

So long as the parts remain top notch, I don't much care where the billets are forged.

It's not as though them going to China is causing a US foundry to go under. Rather, it's the environmental laws and government regulation that runs all but the most profitable foundries out of business, and forces a choke point where the demand must funnel down and run through a handful of businesses. Since supply is now finite, demand sets the price, and the demand is high, so the price is high. The foundries can pick and choose the work they want to take, 'cause there isn't a hell of a lot of compe***ion, and even if you could find another place to do what you need done, they'll be booked up too, and chances are, if one place p***es on the work, the next ones will too ('cause there's more than enough high dollar work out there to keep them all busy already).

Normally, when a condition like this exists, someone else would start another foundry and relieve some of the bottleneck, but in this case, the NIMBY crowd and the environmentalists and the government bureaucrats all coalesce into this sort of "perfect storm" of ******** that descends on the would-be foundry owner and saps all his start-up capital and drive in a never ending cascade of litigation and paperwork that goes nowhere. The new guy is thusly bankrupted before he can do anything at all, and the storm dissipates to rest up and wait for the next fool who thinks he can start a new evil business like a foundry on their watch.

You can call **** sell-outs all you want, but if you want heavy industry to stay in the states, you need to go kick the NIMBY and enviro-fascist jack***es in their balls for doing everything in their power to run said industry off.

It can't be both ways. You can't nurture a climate of hostility towards industry on the one hand, and then call them sell-outs when they run for calmer waters because of it.

 

**** good cat-not so good, and what the others said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i broke the snout off of one when they first hit the states,in a 383, i think they are prolly good now days, i have two callies now............

 

If I were to put together a serious race motor I'd be looking at Bryant, Moldex, LAE, Cola, HTC, or **** billet cranks, not cast or forged. The reason.....................because even though the cast and forged cranks for ****, Eagle, CAT are machined in the USofA.....they are still made in China.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread but I'm not sure you realize where the USofA is headed when it comes to manufacturered goods.........................take a look at GM/Ford/Chrysler who have all been in business for more than a century, then take a look at Honda/Toyota who have only been in business for half that time...........................Take a good close look at what the Stock is for Ford/GM/Chrysler and then look at the other manufacturers like Honda/Toyota.............................

First, China wants to be the Worlds largest manufacturer of goods, and they already have the largest consumer market in the world.

People like Motorola, John Fluke (Fluke Volt Meters) have been in China for some 25 years. You would totally be amazed at the number of "big name" companies manufacturing their front line consumables in China and bringing them back home to complete work here in the USofA.

For some of you guys who haven't been to China or have not seen their manufacturing capabilities.............................hold on to your hats gentlemen!!!!! Not only does ****, CAT, and Eagle have their cranks and rods (the high volumn stardard stuff, not the billet high end crank/rods) built in the very same factories, but there will some big name parts companies that will also have their pistons, rings and bearings coming from OCS (Over Choppy Seas). Take most of the 32 repop grills, where do you think they come from.

With labor so cheap, and because China wants to become the world leader in manufactured goods, they are willing to do some swinging deals to get American (or any country) manfacturers over there......................................but there are some hoops to jump through. They want there people in management positions and as time goes along and their expertise grows, they will want to do the final machining at their facility, not back in the US.
And unfortunatley after manufacturing a product in China for a number of years and they say, "Hey, we no would like to machine your cranks here as we now have the expertise", and the US company (or any country) will have little choice or risk penalties/lose of products and worse......................selling the business to the Chinese.

I have to say that the US has just recently thought about "global markets", and the rest of world has been doing this for over 5 decades.

A case in point, Germany/Switerland used to be the world leader in watch making, well, 30 years ago while doing business in Japan I saw an automated line of robots/automated equipment make a watch every 45 seconds...........with no humans ever touching a single part, and this manufacturing line found rejects and sent them to be repaired, again, without any human touching anything. The interesting thing is that they could change from one style watch to another in less than two minutes...............without human intervention.
And who was this Japanese manufacturer.............Seiko.
It's kind of like the USofA used to be the World leader in steel production, and now we are lucky to be number 6!

 

Running a **** in my 406 sbc..500hp turn it 7000 all day long and never a problem.It's a good bang for the bucks.

 

One of the nicest parts you will ever put in an engine. I use these in my 522ci, Blown BAE Top Alcohol motors. Great customer service also. Owned by racers. Just my .02

 

I'd agree. and made in the usa.

 

Sounds like a good plan.

 

But what is the cost? That is the determining factor with me. I am on a shoestring budget, as always. I'd love to keep my money here, if possible.