History Watch out Car Clubs ,you could be next

The way I understand it, the injunction was written specifically towards the ****ols logo and done so as part of the organized crime laws as a way of identifying the gang. In other words, it has nothing specifically to do with trademarks or sports clothing etc. It also does NOT give the police the right or probable cause to stop any other patch, name club affiliation etc. If this sticks, could lawmakers site it as example to grant other injunctions to apply to other gangs, whether biker related or street gangs? Absolutely. Is that a bad thing? Not in my mind

 

Agreed!

this US of A..and its goofernment has been heading down a rat hole for years..and its bull **** like this that we as its citizens have been allowing to go on with out standing up to our leaders and saying..Hey you ****s get it right..and dont Tread on me..

there are enough dam laws..they need to start enforcing the ones they have and stop loop holing a bunch of other **** together thinking its going to help.

they broke the law..off with their heads..simple..the god dam lawyers need to be burried right next to the law breakers they defend..than maybe we would go back to being America..the free and the brave

sorry too political..and a rant ..but i for one am sick of these ****ing cry babies

 

This could only happen in California, the definitive cop state. And also by design, the definitive lawyer state. The ****ols wouldn't have gotten this far without having expen$ive lawyers on retainer. I expect the ruling, or quasi-Nazi grab law if you will, to be overturned.

But I will wear my model car club jacket inside out just to be safe until the issue is resolved.

Bob

 

You speak like you've never been accused of something you didn't do. I have, and it's scary as **** to see how much power is held against you.

Bottom line, the police are human, and humans make mistakes.

The laws, cons***ution, and bill of rights aren't just here to protect the innocent from criminals. They're also to protect the innocent from wrongful prosecution.

You don't have to be a criminal to find yourself on the wrong side of the line.

 

It's a prosecutor flexing his power.I remember Rudy Giuliani as a prosecutor, on stage wearing Hells Angels colors.He was claiming if he was bad enough to take them he was bad enough to wear them.He and them, 25 years later, are still in buisness.

 

If someone lives in SoCal, makes a T shirt up with the ****ols logo on it, wears it, and gets busted, then they could challenge the bust because of first amendment.

Right now it's not a first amendment thing, but it could be.

 

My cousin is in the Brotherhood MC, and I sent this to him to see what he said. I'll let you know. Now the Botherhood is pretty freakin' bad too!..... I have seen first hand what they are capable of... I have had business relationships with them for almost 10 years. I don't have a problem with them, and I think it is against the 4th amendment to stereotype any of them like this. I also have no problem with putting drug dealers, murderer's, most of all Chester's, behind bars, or even in a shallow grave.

Mott

 

Oh no! The Flying Labias will never surrender! We will wear our colors proud!

 

This has nothing to do with car clubs and such in hot rodding, Its all to do with the gangs. The cops arent going to pull a bunch of hot rodders over and take their plaques and shirts especially when you havent been doing anything wrong like drug traffiking or killing. The most we do is burn out haha

 

Exactly!!!

 

Hey speak for yourself. The Flying Labias are into illegal Beta fish fights and importing of Oranges across the Canadian border. We have also been known to switch lanes without using a signal, so it does affect us.

 

Man, this sure became a multiquoting nitpick fest. Surprising for the HAMB.

Leave gangs/drugs/violence on the street...damn the goverment!

Government tries to get gangs/drugs/violence off the street...damn the government!

If any of you guys think that they coming after the little cruise night at the supermarket setup by a white hair car club, you really need to put the Militia Monthly magazine down and take a breather.

IMO, they are attempting to break up, and bring to justice, a group of really bad dudes. Could this affect the rest of us? Perhaps, yes. And after reading the other points, I really see where you are coming from. But c'mon now...

 

Cheers to this as well!

(It is easier to say "diddo" than to actually write it all out!)

 

But,sadly enough, rulings like this would make it perfectly legal for the cops to do just that. Personal liberties are very fragile and tenuous things. Once lost they are very difficult to regain.

 

Are you sure about that?

 

What the hell does this have to do with hot rods.Put this on the jockey journal and see your response.I live in a very close proximity to said Mother chapter and have knowledge of people that wear colors.The ****ols are way out of hand and the media fuels it.They can't even get the facts right.The ****ols was started buy a White man not mexicans that were not allowed in the H A.They ****ed it all up recruiting known thugs and El eme members right out of prison and teaching them to ride bikes.The way I see it is if you ain't doing nothing wrong you ain't got nothing to worry about. CAN WE GET BACK TO CAR POSTS KNOW!!!??

 

Well....actually it does....

It's a case of a female District Court Judge LEGISLATING from her bench to favor the police. Judges don't MAKE laws(at least, the cons***ution doesn't set forth such)....yet she's decided the ****ol logo(a trademarked image) can be confi****ed.

Sorry, but that sets a precedent if this judge gets away with it.

What's gonna keep some judge from someday deciding hot rods are a bane to society and a hazard to the highway?? hmmm.....

Don't read me wrong---I'm not a ****ol fan, or a fan of any 1% group. I think the police have enough laws and evidence to bring down the bad guys without "seizing" their logo. That, I think is just dumb.

 

Exactly harpboys4, we have nothing to worry about ! we arent starting **** with anyone well I know im not haha.

 

This came out of the 9th Circuit court, which has been overturned more times than any other appeals court. If/when it reaches a higher court, it will be overturned.

 

They tried that with Hells Angels in Hamburg, Germany. But i think that they are still there
Larsdk

 

I think something your are overlooking is stereotyping. I see it in posts about the parts guy on the phone or at customer support, the posts of people wanting cruise nights shut down. To civilians any patch strikes the same tone and this could lead to a 'gateway' to allow the police a free hand.. Just like DUI check points

 

One other thought that hasn't been pushed.....

Prior to this they marked themselves with the logo and stuck out like sore thumbs to law enforcement and regular civilians.

So how is it that forcing criminals to go "unmarked" is a good thing? I thought the police did that very same thing to make it easier to operate undetected?

Sure seems like law enforcement is shooting itself in the foot when viewed from that angle.

Once again the appearance of enforcement has trumped actual enforcement.

 

Regardless of what the ****ols may have done this isn't "chippiong away" it's a direct ***ualt on the First Amendment. When we lose the First and Second Amendments the rest will come tumbling down.

Anyone who would gladly give up personal freedoms for security needs to read a book called "The Candy Bombers" about the Berlin Airlift, more accurately it is about the Communist Blockade of Berlin in 1948. Actually EVERY American should read it. Read what the people of West Berlin gave up to maintain personal freedoms, there wasn't anything "idealistic" about it. These people were willing to die rather than give in to the Russians, read it and then think about what you would do in their place. I can only hope most Americans are still as dedicated to freedom.


I for one ain't giving up a damn thing until they pry it from my cold dead hands!

Vote Nov. 4th.

 

Don't be so sure.

My sister is a cop (not something I am proud of even though I love my sister) and they have her so brainwashed that she actually does believe that car clubs ARE gangs. Not clubs of like-minded friends having fun, but actual gangs involved in criminal activities.

I tell her she is full of **** because I have many friends who are in car clubs and that I know for a fact that they are not about anything other than being friends and messing with old cars. She thinks I am ignorant. That is the mentality we are dealing with here.

 

So if you add a "II" next to your ****ols patch so it says "****ols II", you can not be arrested? That would be some funny ****.

"no officer I'm in the mogols II outlaw mc club"

In jest this points out how stupid of an idea it is to try to break up their club by striping their name. I'm sure they value the ****ols name; however, I'm sure the same dudes would do the same crime under a new name.

 

The Labias will be man's ruin, mark my word...

 

That would be insane. I would have no more shirts to wear!! Hahaha

 

Best way to resolve this issue is to back off on all things ***ociated with the ****ols. That includes the patches, vests, jackets and all other items directly ***ociated with ****ols.

With that resolved, law enforcement should just issue "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters to all law enforcement agencies and post offices for any one wearing a ****ol trademark. I would think that the bad***es would think twice about either ***ociating themselves with that organization or refrain from wearing any trademarks in public. By continuing to do so, it would likely contribute to a reduction in their numbers and an increase in their popularity a**** wannabe vigilantes and bounty hunters.

 

It amazes me that some are willing to support this "harmless to me" denial of rights.

Lots of good people have died to insure we have that right.

If this is allowed to stand, it will get worse. The idea that the gubbament can tell me what not to wear is beyond my comprehension.

 

The Hells Angels Motorcycle club,are exactly that, a regiestered motorcycle club!not a gang........now this is a shot in the dark,.time to get back to hot rods