look on the upper front corners of the head next to the valve cover there should be a # 2 or 4 indicating 2 barrel heads or 4 barrel heads also if the number has a dot behind it they are open chamber heads , my grey beard friend who is an old ford mechanic and worked at ford dealerships durring the big 3s horsepower wars has built and raced every kind of ford engine and swears by the clevland, he's currently running a stroked version in his truck with some head work done similar to the ausie versions making 650 hp at the rear wheels, but i have seen impressive results from a couble of just warmed up versions in his other vehicles
The dot by the 4 doesn`t mean a thing , I`ve got both closed chambers & open chambers with the dot on them. For some good advise go to 351c forum hosted by network 54. Lots of good info there. Gasserman
You really only have three choices for that motor - Edelbrock, Weiand, and Offy, with the Performer being the least expensive. Occasionlly you see them used on the E bay or Craigs
I've got a rebuilt 2V open chamber Cleveland in my T Tudor with a Ford AOD behind it and I can tell you it pulls hard all the way to 6000 rpm even with 3.25 gears. Its puttin out a little over 400 HP and with only 1700 lbs in my T it gets to 60 quick. Don't let anyone tell you there is no aftermarket for the block, you just have to do your research. Rebuild it with a set of good high comp pistons and it'll really wake it up.
If I was to build a Ford, it would have to be a 351C. Buddy of mine had a 71 Mach 1 that was the baddest assed Ford I have ever seen on the street. Ate anything that came up to it. At the time (we found out later) it had the rare Aussie block, factory 4 bbl, 4 speed. That thing would scream. If I remember right it ran 10.5 1/4 miles on street tires (been a long time ago). Only Ford engine I truly would love to have.
I had a 351C in an '81 Capri. T5, 3:73 gears, and .555/.570 lift on the cam. Used a few of the hp tricks and forged pistons, with mostly stock heads, dominator intake and 900 cfm carb, the car was capable of 10:30's and would still drive nice on the street. The coolest part was having the ability to pull 7000 rpm without hesitation. Frontend would get light at 150ish mph though... (T5 really lets you stretch it out on the top end). I'd do another in a heartbeat.
A mate of mine is a Clevo nut. They are good strong motors for sure, a little heavy, but worth it. 302C and 351C share nearly all their components. Crank, rods and balancers are different, but other than that, mostly interchangeable. You can get pistons to use the long 302C rods in a 351. There are ( here in Oz at least ) factory 4 barrel manifolds to suit 2V heads. They are really fuckin heavy. My mate swears by Offy Port-O-Sonic manifolds for 2V Clevos. I have seen 2V heads with 4 cast in the corners. If you have 4V heads, you'll know about it when you take off a manifold. You could damn near put your fist in the port. You might as well put those lifting eyes on eBay too. Restorers are paying silly money for that sort of thing.
As far as ugly, I object a little. I got some old Cal Custom valve covers on mine with an moon air filter that matches the covers. Looks preyty good ( alot like a BB Chevy). Mine is bone stock 2 barrel, but I ot a Kustom not a Hot Rod. I have seen some screming Clevelands over the years though. Go for it, its called Hot Rodding for a reason. Good Luck
Yep, they look a LOT better with the finned rockers. Quite a few guys are starting to run them over here now, in fact, an Aussie bloke (Al Fountain) casts up his own finned rockers.
We are about to put a 32 together using a stroked cleveland. I am looking foreward to getting it up and running, I think there is not another motor that out classes a Cleveland.
The Cal Custom`s can still be had off egay. I just got set last week only paid $75 for them ,and they look like new . On intakes, Holley also made a Street Dominator as well as a Strip Dominator. Both can still be had off egay for not too bad prices if you watch. On the Performers the only difference between the two is the Rpm is an inch tall . So save a buck and buy the performer and add a spacer . Hope this helps. Gasserman
Now I'm really dredging the ol memory banks - seems back in the day, the cheapest way into a stroker was 6" SBC rods with crank offset ground about .125" to fit the SBC rod & Boss 302 pistons. 376"?? Too lazy to do the math...
Looks a Clevo to me. Yep- A big ugly lump but good under a hood and if you can't blind 'em with beauty then baffle 'em with chrome. I run the 302" aussie in mild 2 barrel tune. It pulls sweetly through the rev range and is very un- stressed so it is versatile and reliable. I love it.
The Cal Custom tall finned valve covers are tits and make it look 'not like a Cleveland' - I sold a pair of them to a friend in Oz. Make sure which heads you have before you look for an intake manifold. If you have 2V heads, look for the Edelbrock or Weiand 4 intake that fits 2V heads but takes a 4BBL carburetor. If any of these Chevy guys start trash talking the Cleveland, remind them that 'their' top of the line factory performance head (461/462 Camel hump) has 1.94/2.02 inlet valves. The 2V Cleveland has 2.06 - the 4V Cleveland has 2.19 - good for WOT at Talladega, but a little big for the street.
For a good performance intake check these out. http://www.falcongt.com.au/Funnelweb.htm As far as go fast parts for 302/351s go you need to look at Aussy web sites for parts. Try these, www.eagleautoparts.com.au www.rocket.com http://performancewarehouse.com.au/component/option,com_facileforms/Itemid,32/ Being that these were our only real choice for a serious motor besides the SBC and Holden motors there is a HUGE amount of knowledge out here. Search the web for Aussy engine builders and talk to them. For little outlay you can have yourself a monster motor. Doc. PS, Hell, I want to drag mine out of storage now. You think I could pull off a 351 Clevo in my gasser rather than the Nailhead?
Oh I am sure you could totally pull it off, a Cleveland would be badass in anything..... after looking at those finned valve covers I really like them, it almost makes it look like a BBC. Which gives me an idea.....'55 Chevy tudor post, with a cleveland in it all dressed up? Would definitively make people look twice having the distributor up front.
March brackets? I was thinking about going w/them. Are they for a serpentine belt, or v-belt? What kinda of money? I have a 71 LTD conv. w/a 400 that is why I ask.
I'm with George ... Here's some pics of the 351C4V that was destined for our '32 Ford Roadster (with a full hood): ... and some pics of the 351 4V in the '69 Shelby GT350:
Yeah, I have a 496hp 351C 2V head motor and a yet to be built 351C 4V head motor with no valve train, I swear I could put my head in those ports! Picked up a set of tongues for the runners that are supposed to make them a little easier for the street.
Of course you can Doc this is Australia and it will be a fucking heap cheaper if something breaks. If it's good to go run it, Especially if the gasser is going to have a bonnet
Yeah the Nailhead has cost a packet so far and is a long way from finished. I think a stroked 351 would cost less definitely give more power and when it breaks I wont cry....... as much. Hell I could even look into stepping up to a blown motor for about the same cost! Doc.
Yeah ... I know it's a Windsor (the Cleveland didn't come out until 1970) ... sorry for going O/T ... I only posted the pics of the '69 Shelby GT350 cuz' back in post #4, AnimalAin suggested going with a 351W.
Why not put the clevo in the austin as i previousley suggested and run the nailhead in your 38 coupe. What was the plan for your coupe anyway Doc.
As the owner and operator a numerous Clevos over the past 25 years there are a few things I have learned. The Edelbrock Performer aluminum intake will do nothing for HP vs. a factory iron 4V intake, it is a lighter version of the stock iron 4V intake. You can install a 4V intake(factory or aftermarket) on 2V heads, and you will gain HP, even with the port mismatch. The best intake I have ever used for cars under 3500 lbs is an Edelbrock Torker single plane whether it is an automatic or manual trans. They are one of the best looking engines ever made when properly dressed.
Here's a different approach - you've heard of the 'Clevor' - Clevealnd heads on a Windsor block to make a Boss 302 wannabe. Heres a 'Windland' - Windsor pattern heads on a Cleveland block. This is one on the famed Australian block or 'pillow block' part number XE 192540 (XE for Experimental Engineering). Weighs about 50lbs more than the stock 4V block. Huge main webs and pan rail - 1" thick. This has the Snow White shorty waterpump conversion - makes the engine 2'' shorter. The kicker is that the distributor mounts at an angle - not vertical. Found this out when the Joe Hunt magneto style distributor wanted to share space with the custom Weber throttle bodies.
The Jalopy Journal
