steeling credit for hot rod builds

Yeah... I guess you showed me.

I doubt very much you think this **** is funny... reading your initial posts anyways...

you come on here and bag on kozik, and then act all buddy buddy when he shows up. Whatever dude...

and then aparently I get the slap on the face for stepping in and calling this thread for what it is...

and guess what... I think I just stepped in more **** replying to you... again.

****.

 

Buddy, buddy? He's not my friend but I don't hate the guy. What happened was lame and I mentioned it.

Slap on the face? Isn't that what you're doing to us?

I'm not looking to "show" anyone. It just sounds like your ***** is still hurt over that Hemi you dragged your feet on.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I am a huge fan of your art. That doesn't make me your friend or a kiss *** or mean that I dislike you. I'm just able to like and dislike things about the same person. Like with Frank. Honestly I don't dislike anything about you, but I could try if it would make you feel better.

 

ummm... Kirk.

nice way to try and alienate me... by turning it around. kudos... us against tuck...
nice way to bring up something that I completely forgot about... to try and get under my skin...
nice way to try and give me praise while kicking me in the balls at the same time.

You're good man... seriously.

but you're missing the point.

 

Definitely not trying to alienate you. You are a great contributor to hot rodding as a whole. You are berating people for talking about something.

I hope you are over the 331 deal, but I have no way of knowing.

No kicking in the balls, seriously, that was a compliment.

I am trying to say that people can disagree, talk about **** and still not have to love or hate. I just like to discuss topics...period. I always wanted to be on the high school debate team.

 

I didn't see it as a drama filled post till now

 

i guess you couldnt see with your shades on Denise

yeah i totally forgot about that deal...
I guess I don't carry around a score card- I hope we can still be friends... haha.
the hemi that got away.

maybe it'll make a good t-shirt... but who gets credit for it? me or you?
I said my peace I'm outta here-

Love,
Tuck

 

that is exactly why i try to spend time with the owner talking about the car and if they mention a seperate builder (it does happen) i try to get ahold of them as well so that i can get as much detail and as many facts as possible. i don't do a standard form letter "tech sheet". i ask alot of questions and i try my best to get the facts right... you can realy only go on what the owner of the car is telling you though.

 

I'll give ANYBODY but me credit for the work on my truck.

dka

 

This is why I try to build my own ****! And only take credit for the things I did. This is funny I just got off the phone with a friend and we were talking about this same subject.

 

A car feature in a mag can only be so long. On some cars it would be IMPOSSIBLE to mention every single person by name who turned a wrench, or helped block sand or made a special bolt, or spray bombed a piece, or donated a hubcap or rewired the stereo, or....

 

Denise,

I agree with what you just said. If everyone needs to be mentioned for evey little piece they did, well then it is not really worth having those type of people around while building. I run into these types of people constantly. This is why I try to do all my building when it is dark out, I even block off my garage windows to keep these so called friends away while I am building anything.

1. Either they want to say they helped build the car or better yet they built it.

2. They are trying to find out what your doing so they can run around and tell everyone how you did it or are doing it.

The sad thing is we are all adults, like I say to the jerk offs around my way I don't have time for your Mickey Mouse games that were being played in high school. The He said, She said, I did, you did sort of ****.

Because in this hobby it is always better to have two or more hands while working on these cars. This helping can lead to a process of trust and friendship between builders. But even though you help on a car does not mean you built it. It is the idea of the individual who came up with the design who should get most of the credit along side with the craftsman that brought it to reallity. Not the ones that come over occasionallyto turn a wrench or screwdriver even though they are apart of the concept they are not the builder.

 

There's a really big collection of very top-end cars around here. Each car is rarer than then next...it's overwhelming. Next to the original, unrestored Yenko Camaro is a ZL1 Camaro. I shot the car for a feature, along with a couple others. My writing style is to write about the car and what it took to get it to this point, rather than rehashing the same old "history of" ****. Since there were only 69 1969 ZL1 Camaros built, and everyone knows the history, I wanted to do the story right. So I asked for all the history and build stuff of that particular car.
"well, it's numbers matching, and it's all original. The car was bought by a grandmother for her grandson in Colorado who liked to drag race, and she got it for him for his highschool graduation. He raced it a little bit, drove it around for a few years, and then sold it. When we got it, it was in pretty good condition, just needed to be detailed. So we completely took the car apart, cleaned and detailed everything, and put it back together." Cool. Listed all the rare options it came with, and then tells me that when they showed the car somewhere, a guy came up to them, looked it over and said he was the original owner. He was into off-shore racing boats in Florida now, wasn't really into cars anymore, and didn't particularly miss the ZL1.

So after starting the story, I go down to Lamar Walden's shop in Doraville, Georgia, and am shooting the **** with him about different stuff, and we get on the topic of Lamar's old car--the Number 51 ZL1 Camaro that he took delivery of direct from Vince Piggins, raced in Super Stock, there's the original window'd engine block over there in the corner, and Reggie Jackson owns the car now.
Then Lamar tells me that he's actually owned TWO OF THEM! "No ****?! How?" Well, I've got all the vin number in a file (and produces the file on his desk), and I have all the original shipping destinations, and all the original racers who took delivery of them. But not all of them went to racers, and some of them still aren't accounted for. Well, two of them were shipped to Georgia, one to me, and one to a dealership down south. Well, I know an old boy down there who knew where everything was, and a guy called me looking for one, so I gave this old boy a call and gave him the vin number. A couple months later he called me up and said he found the car, in a junk yard. The engine and trans were gone, and the body was sitting on the ground, rotted half way up the doors, but it was the car. I bought it, we shipped it up here, and set it out in front of my shop. Well, the guy who was looking for it saw it, and thought it needed too much, so he backed out. So I had a real ZL1 sitting on a the ground right there in front of the door for a few months." (which was really funny, because Lamar's shop is in a really ****ty part of town--and he left a $50,000 car body just sitting there).
"Well, ******** bought it from me, ****** restored it for him, and it's in his collection now."
WHAT?!
"Yeah...it's orange with a black interior. Have you ever been to see his collection?"
Sonova*****!
Lamar didn't know I shot the car, and I immediately ****-canned the story.

So builders aren't the only ones who get snowballed by BS build stories.

-Brad

 

I do the opposite... I tell people George Barris built my car.

 

and an additional points of clarification:

Kirks 'story' of me buying the bike is really cute and makes him sound prety 'rad' but it is far from the truth.

As I rememebr one day he showed me some pictures of the bike, it loked pretty col, but I wasnt too into harleys at the time. BUT his price was very good, and I figured, hell it was worth what he wanted and I bought it on a whim more or less. The bike ran for about a week before the electricals fried out and so I started to do stuff to it and got 'into' the project and one thing led to another...I ended up selling the BMWs to fix up the Harley.

a ton of work into to it. basically 2 total rebuilds frame-off over the years.

the bike was entered into that show 3 or 4 YEARS after I bought it from Kirk, not a few months.And it was entered at the request of my friends shop here where we worked on the bike.

by which point 95% had been changed. I really liked the 'paint job' so I kept it, even though I repainted it after the build up to look like it had originally.

I had the bike for maybe 6 years, then sold it to Lars when I wanted some fast cash to get another bike I wanted. I have no idea if Lars ever rode it, he eventually sold it to a guy up in Sonoma who did ride it pretty hard, bike developed some issues during his ownership.

I re- bought ( or rather my wife did)that bike off of ebay last winter when the guy Lars sold it to wanted rid of it, and its currently undergoing a 4th rebuild,to fix the issues...this time around I am hiding the battery and so on in the reserve tank. and choppng and re-dong the frame again as well for the new oilbag and seat seat up.

in the 7 or 8 years I have owned the bike various times I have personally put at least 800 hours of my own time into, as well as a ton of shop done stuff. I also rode it daily for a straight 3 years I had no car.

I pretty much feel this is 'my bike'.

why Kirk has to start off this thread with some weird BS when I havent seen him for like 7 years is mystifying to me.

Kirk if you felt like 'ripped off' I am pretty easy to find and talk to in person.

as far as the other douches that have some **** to talk about me, PLEASE come see me in person so we can work out the problem to your satisfaction.

1488 Howard Street SFCA 94103.

do drop buy and talk your **** to my face.

I really enjoy reading the HAMB theres an endless amount of historical and technical goodness here, but the posturing is a bit silly.

thanks

-Frank K

 

I built George Barris.

He is now fully-animatronic, just like **** Clark.



~Jason

 

Including the earth.

 

When I sell something off I could care less what they do with it or call it. If I would have cared that much I would have never sold it! On to the next project!!

****, put a dress on it and call it Doris for all I care!

 

Is this old horse still kicking?

 

I think it is still twitching!