4.6 DOHC in a 32: Anyone Doing/Done It

I'm getting parts together to build a Lincoln Mark VIII aluminum block 4.6 DOHC. It will be Stock EFI with a 4R70W ****** going into a "Z" framed '32. Have settled on a Hi Boy Roadster, and have been eyeing the Speedway Motors stretched body, and their frame/components. I WILL build it as close to a 50's set up as I can (with the exception of the EFI/ECU controlled engine/trans). Any thoughts on running the Lincon 4.6 engine? With the EDIS 8 system, and polished rocker (cam) covers it looks an AWFUL lot like a Hemi at first glance...

 

I think I hear an air raid siren going off...

If you've read this board much, you probably know the kind of answers you're going to get.

 

I have seen a 4.6 in a 32 before. I think Ford Motorsports had one at the Detroit Autorama last year. It should fit alright as long as your not using hood sides. I don't really think the length will be an issue. I don't think it is much longer than a 302. You will have to use an electric fan as there are no provisions for a mechanical fan.

As for it looking like a Hemi, techniacally (boy this is going to piss the Mopar guy right off) it is. The heads have hemispherically shaped chambers.

I had a 98 Cobra with basically the same engine in it, just a little more juiced up from the factory. It scooted pretty good. The Cobra motors have secondary intake runners that electronically open up at about 3000 RPM. Gives it a little more grunt. I don't think the Lincoln motor has this.

As far as it being traditional, well you know the answer to that and I'm sure you're going to here about it. But if that's what you like...

Good luck!

 

if you squint this has a traditional element to it... putting a high performance factory engine in a hot rod to make it faster...

but that is as far as I'd take it.

You might generate some info via PMs or a few replies from gutsy people... but for the most part late model talk... especially putting it into early iron... is taboo.

(Fibergl*** would be ok though... )

 

They are W----I----D----E. Wider than a 427 SOHC from the 60's which is more traditional than the DOHC.

 

Yeah, no ****.

My best friend is a big Mustang guy, and is looking at buying a 94 Cobra w/a supercharged 4.6 & we went and looked at it the other day, and that is a seriously wide motor. Ran like a scalded dog though. Not traditional, but a hell of a motor (especially with a huffer).

 

Sho Nuff,
The Mark engine does have the IMRC runners (Intake Manifold Runner Control)...

 

You should put a 345 DeSoto in it.

 

You might want to post this question on The Ford Barn in the StreetRod section as there was a guy putting a DOHC 4.6L into a 32.

I have a guy I know that is putting together a "kit car" up in Oregon.............32 Ford 3W Highboy with a 4.6L Lincoln. His frame is pretty much a cookie cutter aftermarket and is not Z'd. He has had some issues with headers and is now making his own tube headers.
PM me with your email address and I'll see if I can't get some pictures for you. The guy does not have a computer and refuses to use one.

As far as looking like a "real Hemi"................maybe if you squint real hard. There are some aftermarket people making aluminum valve covers that don't have the hump for the cam gears................that makes it look more like a real Hemi.

IMHO

 

No issues with the ford being called a Hemi, it is what it is, and most, if not all DOHC engines are of a hemispherical layout.

Traditional, No. Interesting, Yes.
Not alot different than the mega dollar rod of a few years back that used the NorthStar v-8. Not my kind of package but then I'm fond of the Jag 4.2, so go figure....


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yeah, the Ford Motorsport used a Dearborn roadster shell with no hood. looked like ****, but the objective was to show off the technology of the motor. but it looked like ****

 

I'd like to see someone take some time and try to make a 4.6 32V engine look older than it is. I think it can be done with some of the aftermarket parts available. The biggest hurdle is that EFI though... I know they are out of my budget, but I think they make Hilborn style injection for that motor with individual throttle bodies. My mother has an '06 Mustang GT... you're right... that thing is WIDE. I parked the car next to my 390FE 4V engine I had sitting in the barn.... not much difference.

I say go for the 4.6 and see how old school you can make it look... if you can get around that factory EFI that is...

 

Modular Ford's are junk.

 

Dreddybear,
The 345 is in my Avitar is already in my DeSoto. Have to sell the DeSoto to finance the '32. However, I DO have the 291 Hemi that came out of the car, tucked away under my bench (39,000 original miles on it)...

 

it amazes me how much clout a 32 ford has. If I were wanting to put an LS1 in my 53 or a BIG BLOCk in my 37 I would be teased for an eternity, but if you are putting a Mod motor in a ford it''s interesting.?

Under no cir***stance am I flaming this guy. It takes a whole hell of alot of knowledge to stick one of those engines in anything, even a car that it came out of in the first place, but this is a traditional forum, Correct?

 

Why not lose the EFI and go-fer real carb/s like the superslickkinda 33/34 that Factory Five Racing INC. used in their "race type" 33/34 in Street Rodder this MO ( January 09) on Page 45....The Engine I refer to is on page 50....Then yo can be Kinna old lookin'...kinna traditional......Kinda I s'pose !!!!

 

who needs efi?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-6-...dZViewItemQQcategoryZ33617QQitemZ300264433861
I don't know alot of about the mod motors or the heads but i mean this shows it CAN be done..

 

I'm a huge LSx nut*******, my DD is LS1 powered. To each their own though, if he wants to drop a mod motor in his '32 more power to him. I personally think there are better options out there...4.6s are weak!

 

Found this on you tube. Looks like a model frame with a DOHC with a 671 blower on it. Dosen't look to bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aMicckDWSc&feature=related

Also found this one with a guy running webbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjU8QZFSII&feature=related

 

This is a no brainer.

the 291 is Mathmatically provable as being 1,000,000 times cooler than a late model. 39,000 miles? RUN IT!!!

 

LSGUN,
In what way are they weak? Might be something I need to know...

 

Not true. They are great engines saddled with piss poor heads. Typical Ford setup.

They are not really for this forum. True.

 

The only weakness they have is their powdered metal rods and hypereutectic pistons. Around 400-500 hp they tend to fail. A good se t of rods with forged pistons and they are good for over 800-1000hp.

They have poor heads in 2V form, decent heads in 3V form and the 4V heads (there are like 4 versiosn of them) are good for different things. Some are good top end heads, some midrange and some all over power.

 

LSgun,

It sounds like you have never been given a ride in a car powered by "a weak motored"4.6L.

I'll extend that invitation next time you are in California!

Traditional, no.............................sweet!...............Absolutely!!!!!!!!!

 

dude i got a 4.6 single cam in my henry J you want to see tight like a finger in a ***hole. I think everybody is just afraid of technology. it will be great in a 32 and with gas prices the way they are you will in enjoy seeing everybody else fill up while you wait till the next gas stop my J gets 28 miles to the gallon and thats at 80 mph its just a big motor. the ****** will take up alot of the firewall I'm sure you will figure it out here is a picture of my 4.6

 

Actually that's my T bucket

Blown, injected and computer comtrolled

 

I would run a Turbo'd 2.3 if ya wanna really be different. You can make stupid pwer with em too. Still OT though.

 

I agree with you man. I was going to post a reply to his...but I didn't want to get dragged into all that 4.6 vs LS1 debate BS. I've seen 4.6's kick LS1's ***es before and i've seen them last to 200k+ miles and still driving fine with no knocking, smoking, or oil consumption. Even my LS1 friends haven't seen an LS1 that's made it to 200k without being opened up.

Good luck with the LS1's... sure they're quick... for less than 100k miles... if it's in an F-body door stop mobile.... the rest of the car will fall apart well before the 100k mark. I've got 5 F-body LS1 cars in mind right now that are falling apart with under 100K on 'em.... I'm looking at one in the parking lot right now through my office window actually LOL... the best part is it's a friend of mine. I'm going to go give him a hard time now... it's bad that he calls it a "fast piece of ****"....

 

TJM73,
I have the Lincoln, low end torque, 4V heads. If this engine, in Stock form, gets up and flies as well as my Eldorado (Northstar), I'll be happy as hell. I'm getting kind of old to be coming away from a stoplight sideways. Well,...maybe once in a while...

MISFIT,
Talked to you about this earlier this year, on the "Journal". Your car, and having this LOW miles DOHC fall into my lap practically free, got me on the road to doing up a '32...

NOW, for the ignored SECOND part of my question...what are some thoughts on the Speedway Motors components?...

 

There's a 32 roadster near me locally runnin' a mod motor.Not my cup 'o' tea,but cool none the less.Here's a couple of pics;