Hey guys, Totally green to flatheads and of course have a lot of learning to do. Been doing a lot of searches but after reading for quite some time I figured I would post up my question. I found this number stamped on the intake manifold: 8EL-6520 Is this the actual ID number of the engine? Any significance? Any help would be much appreciated, any recommended literature on the 337 would be great as well.I know there is a ton out there, but would like to know which is actually the most helpful. TIA, Matt
Just off the top of my head, I think the EL means it came from a 49 through 53 Lincoln and had Hydraulic lifeters. Same engine was used in the largest Ford truck and had 8E something other than L, and had solid lifters. Search Vic Piano and you will probably get a thread. I think he is rebuilding one.
Yep. Thanks man. I was able to confirm your response last night. Did a search and didnt come up with too much on Vic but did send him a message. The 8EL does mean 48-51 Lincoln which only came with hydraulic lifters, also gave me the bore and stroke, (3.50 x 4.375) Still trying to find what the second set of numbers mean. I'm guessing manufacture dates? Thanks again!
6520 is a basic FoMoCo number for an intake manifold. All Ford engines had that number on the manifold-the only real identifier is the prefix which you have already determined to be the '49 (model year) thru '51 Lincoln.
just curious, what's it going in? Reason i ask is that i'm sure you found out through your research that they are one HEAVY engine. BTW excellent striping, just checked your pinheadlounge account. very cool.
Thanks for the info Dale. So I take it this isnt the engine ID number, just the intake. Still looking for the engine ID number for reg purposes. I dont have the original ****** so Im wondering where to find?? Thanks for the kind words Ace, we're planning on putting this engine in my 30-31 Model A. Want to do as much research as I can before investing too much time and money. I have a great engine here from what Ive been told, know for a fact it ran like a champ before it was pulled.
Dale's the man with those lincolns! i had one in my '50 lincoln but i opted for a caddy mill instead. drove it for 8 years with the flattie! Not to sway you away from your build but seeing how those lincolns are so big and heavy you may not have any advantage other than it being "different". There are some guys on here i've seen with them in As though. Somewhere i think i posted a picture of a guy who built a hilborn system for one! They weigh in around 850 lbs if i recall correctly, something to think about when building your front suspension. Good luck either way, be sure to post photos when you can. we're all nosy here! And you're welcome on the striping photos! They are really well done. If you want to check my chicken scratch out - pinheadlounge.com/acebrown . looking forward to seeing the A project -ace
Found the bellhousing in the shop, after some clean up, stamped on the top is: 200087 Does this sound like the ID number? TIA, Matt
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go to this web site www.vanpeltsales.com On Ford and Merc flatheads there is an ID number stamped on the right rearcorner of the intaqke gasket face of the block which will give you the manufacturing date you can see it with the manifold still on the engine. there is a photo on http:flatheadrag.com
Thanks for all the info guys. It all helps. When Im at the shop tomorrow I'll check out that manufacture date on the top of the block. Still trying to find the location of the actual ID number to give the highway patrol.
This is a swag: Until 1948 Ford cars and trucks had a serial number stamped on the transmission case bell. Transmissions and engines were all shipped as an ***embly from the Rouge engine plant. In the ***embly plant this number was stamped into the frame after the engine/transmission ***embly was installed. So now the vehicle ***umed the iden***y of the transmission. Much confusion existed (exists) state to state as to the proper identification of a Ford vehicle once the original transmission was replaced. In 1949, (model year-8BA, 8RT, 8CM, 8EL) this practice ceased. The number was ***igned in the ***embly plant and appeared only as a stamped number in the frame or, in certain cases, on a tag affixed to the body. Bottom line: without the vehicle, you don't have any number and certainly not one which should mean anything to your BMV or highway patrolman.
THAT explanation is exactly what I needed. Dale, you are the man. Thank you. And thanks to everyone else for the help, suggestions, and references.
As with 1932-48 Ford products the engines in the early 50s Ford products were not numbered for Vehicle Identification Purposes unless the state to which vehicles were being shipped for sale required such a number. In general, I have have read that these numbers were stamped on the engines at the receiving dealerships in those states. According to my 1950 Mercury Body Parts book and 49-54 Ford Parts book, starting in 1950 the Patent Plate was changed to include the Serial Indentification Number (now known as the VIN Vehicle Identification Number) stamped on the extreme top edge of the Patent Plate. This complete serial number is also stamped in 3 places on the ch***is frame. On the top side of frame right side member near the front body bracket, the right top side of frame rear crossmember and the right top side of frame intermediate crossmember. The Plate was mounted on the right front body pillar below the upper hinge opening in 1950 through 1952 Cars. The body trim code information was found on a separate Body Plate, not used for vehicle Identification purposes. For 1953-54 the Plate was mounted on the left front body pillar below the upper hinge opening, and now included the body trim codes previously on a separate plate. There is no reason to believe this did not apply across the Ford, Lincoln and Mercury divisions. As I do not have or can't find a 49 Parts book I have no Ford info on these.
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