so are we still saying you need to buy a s10 ****** and a camaro trans and do the swap or can we run just the camaro trans with a different bellhousing? if you need to buy 2 trans for say 200-250 each why not spend another couple hundred on a muncie
Either or. Realize the S10 ****** is not as strong as the Camaro ******. Because a Muncie doesn't have overdrive.
The T56 is a great transmission. The shifter location is further back, but in a couple hours, you can move the shifter location to its forward location and be good to go. -Jason
Combining a Camaro and S10 ****** together is done to get the more forward shifter location on the better version of the ******. That all. If having the shifter located at the tail end of the ****** will work for you, then by all means use it that way...
Been thinking about a t5 latlely for my next project. Very informative post thank you. My question is with a front mount 57 small block, I need a side mount bellhousing. What is needed to bolt this bell housing to the t5. Also after abusing the hell out of an s10 with the small v6 I'm guessing it should hold up no problem to a 275hp small block in a lighter car 2000-3000lbs range right? I mean I went to the dump with over 1500lbs of trash in that truck more than once and the ****** never broke. Thanx Tiny
The S 10 t5 will bolt right up to the old cast iron housing,just did this to my 57 210 works great.It is a daily driver w 350. PS I work for Frito-Lay and just figured out why I sell sooo many Cheetos!!!!! Rick
Ernie, where did you get the V6 Astrovan gears? Are they available new across the parts counter? Or, do you have to scrounge them from a used-up Astro or Safari van? I need to replace a couple of chipped gears in my AstroVan T-5 ******.
Ernie, What is the difference in a NWC S-10 T-5 and a Tremec's shifter placement? Are they the same case? I want a Tremec, but would like to get my pickup on the road. Could I use a NWC until I can recover from the build, and baby it? 1964 C-10 327 350hp w/3.73 posi opinions?
Got mine on eBay. A guy had upgraded his trans and had good used gears. Got 'em cheap too - nobody knew what they were. Well, if by Tremec you mean a TKO or 3550, it's a completely different trans. However, Tremec now makes the T5 (bought from Borg-Warner), so must clarify... See above - probably not. Absolutely. Ford used the NWC behind the 5.0 for the first two years - they will hold if you don't abuse it.
Here are a few useful links http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/products/T-5.asp#Car http://www.****osgarage.com/tech/t5/index.htm http://www.inliners.org/Jack/T5tech.html http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/t5******.htm http://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=58073&Number=481724#Post481724 The T5 from the Astro, S-10s and Jeeps are limited to 220 lb-ft of torque. the V8 camaro/firebird is the strongest at 300 lb-ft, followed by the Mustang. All will break behind a decent motor if you beat it. The Camaro/Firebird variants are twisted 18 degrees to move the shifter 2" closer to the driver for the F-body. mount to a non-F-body bellhousing to mount straight up. Then you need an angled bracket for the tail shaft or build a hybrid by swapping the top cover, shift rail and rear housing. Parts are interchangeable like Mr Potato Head. There are ge****ts from G-force for the T5 to get more torque out of them. The TR 3550 is a better transmission. To use on a GM, simply drill out the lower mounting ears for the GM pattern and replace with the smaller diameter input shaft retainer pilot and use the Ford trans yoke. The TR 3550 is no longer in production being replaced by the TKO 500 and TKO 600. torque capacities are 355, 500, and 600 respectively. The T56 shifter location can not be changed. Early 6-speed have weak 3/4 shift forks which when fail, will leave you in two gears simultaneously. great driveline brake and face into steering wheel, not good for driving.
Each of those has useful info, but have errors of omission - in other words, the way they're worded leads you to believe incorrect information. Not a lot of inaccuracies overall, but a few - just like my writeup has errors in it too. These errors stem from the fact there were so many variants of the T5 it's impossible to collate everything in one spot... I've heard/read several different stories on what the torque ratings really are. I've heard they are 100,000 mile ratings, I've heard they're shock ratings, and I've heard they are theoretical (ie - engineering) ratings. The bottom line is the T5 WILL handle more torque than its rating AND it WILL break if abused. It's two weakest points are the aluminum case and the shift forks... This is where you have to be careful how you word things. The T5 itself is not twisted - the way it mounts to the bellhousing rotates it. As you say, a non-F-body bellhousing cures this, but your first sentence implies something many folks take as gospel. It's simple semantics and not an error of fact at all... Again, semantics. Define "better" - stronger? Yes. More versatile? Doubtful. Lighter? No. More gear ratios? No. So it depends on what you mean by "better" - subjective terms need to be defined so we're all on the same sheet of music. I think they're better too - and by better, I mean stronger. A relatively common problem that most folks aren't aware of.
So much info it gets confusing. I picked up a T5 at a swap for cheap ($25), I figured it was an S-10 by the shifter location. Looked up the numbers and yes, it's a WC out of a 93 S-10. A friend wants it to put behind a SBC but this one does not bolt to a standard SBC bellhousing. What bellhousing do I look for? What about speedo hookup, am I going to need a different tailshaft? Whould I be better off looking for a different ******?
Keisler has a kit to relocate the T56 shifter a few inches. http://www.keislerauto.com/index.php?/t56-front-shift-conversion-kit.html
Sounds like it has a Ford pattern. You would need to find a Bell from a 4.3 Astro van that had the same pattern (difficult to find), or a bell from an early 80's Jeep that had a 2.5 4cyl and 5spd (also difficult to find). Some modifications would be necessary to make the Jeep housing work. I just covered this in a recent posting. Either option will require the smaller 153 tooth flywheel and 10 1/2" clutch. It also is an electric only speedo sender. To use it with a cable driven speedo would require a $319 converter box. Yes, I would look for something else...
What snarl said is dead on as usual. The only other option would be to find a GM case and swap everything over.
Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. Another dumb questain then, will it bolt up to a 302 Ford with a later 5.0 bellhousing?
The case certainly would - not sure about the input shaft length and/or spline count. Swapping the guts over is easy if you can find a case - I haven't been looking in a long time, but seems like they used to be on eBay all the time.
I built my ch***is for a Muncie and just couldn't satisfy myself with where the shifter needed to be in my duece. the T-5 shifter was better positioned but it would not fit in my ch***is. A buddy suggested we use a Chevette tail shaft on my Camaro V8 T-5. The result good shifter location, Muncie size, and backwards turning speedometer cable. A reverse adapter cured the speedometer problem but even with 3.70's in the 9 inch I should have used the short ratioed overdrive gears because my roller cammed 327 doesn't like 5th below 70mph.
What Noteboom said. Decent running SBC reasonably light car, 4 speed will pull a tall gear no problem.
Also you will need to change the input collar, as that S10 ****** would have a 4 11/16 collar, and the Ford application is probably larger...
Guys I have a 1994 GMC Sonoma with a 2.2L 4 cyl and a Borg T-5. However, it has a 4 cyl bellhousing. How hard is it to convert from the 4 cyl bellhousing to a V8 one? I will be doing a mostly stock sbc if I do put one in, if I can use my T-5 I may just do it.
The bellhousing is separate from the transmission. If it is part of the transmission, then you don't have a T5. If the ****** has the Ford pattern, then your question has been answered. If it has a Chevy pattern, then your question has also been answered.
The 94s came with T-5s, the 95 or 96 came with the New Ventures. I decoded the RPO codes in my glovebox and I'm 99% sure its a T-5. So I'd need a "Bell from a 4.3 Astro van that had the same pattern " "Either option will require the smaller 153 tooth flywheel and 10 1/2" clutch." ? What about usings a different bellhousing, like one from a V6 camaro?
All you have to do is crawl under it and look... It would be ***led about 17 degrees then. I don't know offhand if they used a 90 degree V6 in the Camaro or not (V8 bellhousing pattern), but the 60 degree 2.8 is a different animal and won't work.
Or are there any issues with using a SBC Lakewood ****tershield with a manual clutch arm with a NWC T-5?
Technically, NWC T5 is being too vague, but if the center hole and bolt patterns match, and the length of the input shaft works out, then there is no reason why it wouldn't work.
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