What an easy way to hop-up the 170? Just got new insides, now the motor...I'll be posting picks soon, It looks like an Icecream store in side. Teal & White everywhere....
keep an eye out for dirttrack parts for em. The biggest problem was the integrated head and manifold. I once found an aluminum 12 port head for one - $5000. Isky makes a decent cam for em as well. Not a whole lot to be done without spending big bucks.
Whats the largest 6cyd I can place in the car without alot of re-work. IE sup, ect. I think we have enough $ in the car, trying to stay CHEEP..
200 CID mustang six, or a 300 CID truck six would go in, and they make some cool stuff for them(split manifolds for duels, 4 barrell intakes, cams)
The 200 Mustang 6 will fit no sweat. 7 main motor, little stronger than the 170. Theres a few things to do to the 170, just gotta look around for the parts. I figure I'll run my 170 til it blows, then switch to the 200.
\ Not as "drop in" as the 200 but providing a lot more grunt is the 70's Comet/Maverick/Mudstang/Grenada ... - 250CID small six. It uses same integral intake head as the 170/200 but has a longer stroke. The stock torque output exceeds the stock SBF's. The same HiPo-six speed equipment fits. The 250 is @ an 1-1/2 " taller and 1-1/2 " wider and due to a different WP is @ 2'' longer than the other engines but can theoretically use any year head. All 250's have a SBF bell pattern and use a 157 tooth NEUTRAL bal. flywheel and any SBF stuff you want - Toploader, T5 etc. They also used C4's. Powerband '61 with 250 Six : 10:1 Pistons-.070 overbore, Clifford matched shot peened rods, Clifford 272H Cam, line bored & balanced bottom end, Cloyes timing set, Melling pump, Fisher performance balancer, 1.88 int. valves, Ported and relieved, Offy 3X1 w/3 progressive modded Holleys @ 600 CFM at WOT, Re-curved distrib., Hooker long tube dual out headers...
first thing to change is the dizzy. get rid of the load o matic and get yourself one from a late 70's granada you will like it much better. or at least get the pertonix setup to get rid of the points. from there if you want add a 2 bbl carb, header and a free flowing muffler and you would be supprised. i have a 62 ranchero with a 200 and it is a good all around engine. not a drag car by any stretch but at least it will do nice burnouts.
Yeah, my first item would be a Pertronix ignition. For $100 and 20 minutes, you'll be floored at the difference. If you after any real speed, a T5 should be considered and for V8 level performance, install a turbo. There are numerous turbo Ford sixes putting down 10 second quarters. www.classicinlines.com
A freind of mine put a top loader 4 speed behind a stock 250 6cyl with a adaptor for a holley 350 cfm 2bbl in a old 65 4 door ford falcon he had (left the stock wheels and falcon hub caps on it), that thing was pretty fast sleeper!, no replacement for displacement!
I have a '65 sedan with a 170 CI. The American 144, 170 and 200s all had the one piece head/intakes, but Aussie cars have the same engine with a two piece head and intake and they bolt up to American blocks. I know of a few people in the Falcon Club running Aussie heads on the there cars with double and triple carb setups. There are also a few good aftermarket heads out there as well. There is a husband and Wife team that are Falcon club members that run their '62 170 as a drag car. It is a quite impressive turbocharged setup that is running low 12s on the strip and giving the V-8's a run for there money. The 200s are stronger with 7 mains but ALLOT can be done with a 170.
My freind with the 64 falcon used the mounts out of the 72 maverick that he got the 250 6cyl engine out of.
sorry to corrct you man, but while the aussie 2v head was available it only came on special order 250 in 71/72/73 an was then discontinued due to the fact that embarrassed the stock v8. most aussie pre-crossflow 6's had the integral intake same as the american ones.
Moon_dog62, no need to apologize, That just means i'm slipping, lol! I had forgotten that It has been a LONG since I messed around with Falcon stuff (they used to be all I worked on. still love them)....been around the Ts to long i guess Thank for the refresher!
Due to low compression, I took the 170 out of my wife's 63 Falcon and replaced with the 200. The only thing I had to alter was the gas linkage. Everything else was just a bolt up. I bet it doubled its power level.
Any one with a six bolt bellhousing, on C4's the bell housings are removable so if you have one that takes 164 tooth flywheel you just unbolt it and replace it with the 157 tooth bell housing, the strongest C4's are the 72 and later (bigger dia input shaft, etc). The 250 uses the same 6 bolt bell housing as the 302, 351w, and 351c V8's do.
I like the bolt in stuff...I have the 3 tree too yuck, wife ask for an auto too, she misses the 53 chevy truck we had. I got a felling this car will not be able to stay long. We both love the trucks, anyway the 200 sounds like the way to go..
LaGrasta Wow! 10s. I had not heard an update on there car since there feature in the Club newsletter 2 or 3 years ago. I think they were still running 12s at that time. Have any more info on there car?
i know it is a 62 falcon with a 200 6. they just recently switched to the classic inlines aluminum head which breaths a lot better but more importantly is based off the ausie head with separate intake manifold. i think they went with a 4 bbl setup and it uses a blow through turbo. very impressive to say the least
you can use a C-4 from any car with a 170-200-250 I6. A Maverick with a 250 should have what you need. Not sure if the larger engines (240 & 300) had the same bolt pattern. Maybe someone else can answer that. This company has lots of speed parts for the Ford 170-200-250 I-6 engine family. http://www.cliffordperformance.net/index.html
Wasn't there a high or low position for the starter mounting on those engines, which affects the bellhousing, depending on year and model? cheers Ed N.
240/300 use the windsor pattern belhousing but the flywheel/flexplate is obviousley weighted differently
A 300 will fit, but it's far from a bolt-in. A friend and I stuffed one into my '61 Falcon sedan delivery, back in 1969. Required some firewall massaging, fabbed motor mount brackets, and moving the rad in front of the core supt. With the Offy 4bbl intake, lumpy cam, headers and some head porting tricks borrowed from Ak Miller himself, it would eat SBCs all day long. If you go that route I strongly recommend bolting Mustang suspension, etc under the car. Then you've got a real sleeper!
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