Yes thats true you were the Second to offer me to ship the mounts and that was pretty cool from you... but how you descrive me and talk at me that is just all wrong and you dont know what person im so dont judge me before you met me i hope you do met me so we can talk this out over some beers then i would apologize for my reaction.. because let us not fight here we all here to help each other!
Dude I'm all for helping you out. Maybe my perception is a little different, I have a business to look after, and understand what these guys go through to bring a part to market. I'm all for the beers too. I like a lot of what has come from this and the S10 thread. Some of it has gotten a little away from what this board is about. But a lot of progress has been made. I have no problem with seeing how someone else has solved a problem and taking the same approach. A lot of the stuff can be improved upon as well.
I started out putting an s-10 frame under my 53 Dodge truck, but the track was too narrow for for my liking, so I am in the process of finding a dakota frame to use instead. Has anyone put one under a truck like mine??
You know, I'll be the first to admit that it's not exactly traditional to use a Dakota frame, or an S-10 or Ranger/Explorer/Mountaineer one. But neither is using a T5! LOL! It's all in the same vain. What I'm most interested in lately (and it's kind of self-serving) is reviving some of the Hurst engine swap mounts (you know, "bolt anything into a Ford frame"). As with the S-10 mounts, I'd love to see a good, solid generic mount come out of this, based on a bunch of sources, but not really ripping off anybody. The S-10 mounts, to my knowledge, were based on as many ideas as could be identified, with measurements from each, synthesized into a new whole. I think bigtumtum was just gathering information to make his own, rather than to blatantly copy them. Weren't you? ~Jason
Dude - there's lots of guys in Washington on Craigslist that would swap you for sure! bigtumtum might be a little far away for that... You've got a '74 Civic? Other guys on the board might not me into it, but I think that's awesome!!! ~Jason
just got a 91 dakota with a v8 auto delivered to me for a great price. Just gotta start taking stuff off so I can start putting on the 53 cab. pic of the cab just for the fun of it. Gravel, I pm'd you with a good price for the frame and the motor mounts for the s-10. Bud
I used a 96 Dakota ch***is for my 49 Dodge pickup.I did have to shorten frame (long wheelbase) 22" but other than that a simple process. http://www.autoartistry.com/1949 Dodge Pickup.html
your build is going great. I have been following yours on the customcl***ic truck forum. Man, you are a long ways ahead of me!!! Bud
Hopefully I will get bed fab work done this weekend.Then on to interior mods and finally bodywork.I see you are gaining also.Looks good. Mike
I had to laugh when I read that you followed the contour of the back of the cab for the front of your bed as I had the same idea for mine. I have the back half of another cab and will use this to form the front of my bed. Bud
If you don't want to use a Dakota frame and still want to use a Dakota for the parts I have a custom cross member you might like.
Sean,or anyone for that mater have this link handy? My neighbor has a nice not running 87 Dakota Regards. Al
Click here and go backwards: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=22733&page=38&perpage=5&reverse= More: http://WWW.OLDTRUCK.SYTES.NET/ Enjoy! ~Jason
Ha! You guys beat me to it....Planning on starting that project up soon shortly....check the link above for updates on the Stukota!
LOL! I'd have done it last night, but was helping someone move, and the laptop didn't even leave the bag! You're an easy guy to find, sir! ~Jason
Thats great Sean, Im really interested in your Stukota build. Did you ever have a thread on your site while starting it? I Just noticed the pics in your gallery. I have a few questions on the Body mounts. I know you said you had it pretty much flat on the frame. Thats what really turned me on to how you did yours. Im not a fan of channeled pickups. Did you shorten up the steering colum? Would like to know if you used any of the O.E.M. frame mounts when you mounted the cab? Thanks. Regards. Al
Just ran across this thread. Mine is channeled 4" over a 89 dodge dakota frame. A new cross member fits perfectly for the SBC 305.
A question was asked earlier in this thread about dropped spindles for the Dakota. That's the whole point of doing a front and rear Dakota clip swap and using the center section of the original vehicle. You can put the ride height anywhere you want it with everything being stock factory stuff. No voodoo dropped spindles, cut coils or anything. I was outlining the swap for another rodder on another forum and will post it here in the event it could help someone.... This subject comes up often, so I thought I would post this reply I wrote to a rodder who wanted to improve the ride, braking and handling characteristics of his 1949 International KB2 pickup truck. Many of the points I make here will apply to other frame swaps as well. This article is actually more about a front/rear frame clip swap rather than using the entire frame intact. I like using OEM stuff whenever I can. The factory has well-paid engineers and mega-buck computing systems to figure everything out so that it will work well together and I like taking advantage of that, doing a frame swap or front/rear clip swap and using all the parts that I can from a donor car/truck. After doing a little research, I've decided that I might use a Dakota donor truck for this International KB2 project. The Gen I Dakota was made from '87 to '96 and the '91 to '96 used a 318 V8 as an option, so everything would be set up for the "A" motor of your choice, 273, 318, 340 or 360. There will be no dinkin' around with fabricating motor mounts or moving the motor to the p***enger side to miss the steering or any of the other contortions usually ***ociated with a frame/clip swap that isn't well thought out beforehand. Of course, once you have your hands on a 360, a 408 stroker kit is only a phone call away. http://www.speedomotive.com/ps-140-13-mopar-360cid-to-408cid-stroker-kit.aspx You can also put together the stroker kit yourself with a cast or forged 4.000" crank from Mopar. Under $400 for the cast unit. Use stock 6.123 rods and KB hyper stroker pistons such as these..... http://kb-silvolite.com/performance.php?action=details&P_id=23 I like the Gen I because of the fairly narrow track, 60.7" front and 59.5" rear. Everything got wider in the Gen II truck and may present some problems with track width with the International. Well, not problems really, but the tires might stick out too far and you'd have to use different wheels with a different backset or fender flares or some other such foolishness that can be avoided by using the narrower track Gen I in the first place. Depending on the configuration of the Gen I Dakota, three different wheelbases were used, 112.0", 124.0" and 131.0. By the way, these trucks came with power rack and pinion steering. Another thing of interest is that these trucks came in 2WD and 4WD. So, if you wanted a 4WD International, you could certainly have it. Before removing any parts from the Dakota donor, roll it onto a scale and weigh just the front axle weight. Write it down. Now, weigh just the rear axle weight. Write it down. You will need this information later if you need to change springs. If a guy were going to use the entire frame intact, he might get lucky and find that one of these 3 different wheelbases were exactly right for the International. If not, use the Dakota frame that has a longer wheelbase than the International and section the frame between the cab and differential, then have the driveshaft shortened or order a custom driveshaft. For getting the wheels/tires just right in the wheelwells for the best look, I'd jack up the International, remove the wheels and tires, then lower the body back to the ride height I wanted to use and place jackstands under the frame. I'd roll the front and rear tires forward and backward in the wheelwells until I got the "eyeball" that I wanted and measure the wheelbase between the centers of the wheels. That's the figure I would use for the final wheelbase to build the truck on. Once I got the eyeball right, I might drop a line on a plumbbob from the center of the wheel to the ground and make a mark. Drop a line from some point on the body and make a mark. Measure between the points and write it down. Do this front and rear. Take the measurement off the BODY, not the fender or the bed. You'll need this info later to position the front and rear Dakota clips if you decide to build the truck lower than stock. Having done this insanity for 50 years, I have determined that you don't want any part of the truck lower than 4.000" from the ground when measured at curb weight(ready to drive and with a 1/2 tank of gas), so don't go nuts with the positioning of the body. I have found that keeping a 4x4 piece of timber handy to scoot around under the truck during the build will insure that you have sufficient ground clearance to miss most road obstacles. The thing with using an OEM ch***is is that everything is engineered to work together. What you don't want to do is decide after it's built, that you want the front lower or the rear lower.... or both.... and you have to dink with cheezy dropped spindles or cut the front coils and change the suspension geometry from "as designed" at the factory. If you want to drop the truck "in the weeds", then use only the front and rear frame clips from the Dakota and retain the under-cab International frame section. Weld the three together at ride height and call it good. If I were going to use the entire Dakota frame in one piece (even if I sectioned it to get the wheelbase right), I would use whatever s**** pieces of material I needed to use to graft the Dakota frame rails to the frame rail holes in the International cab. This ain't rocket surgery. (yeah, I know that ain't the right way to say it, but I like it better). Here's how I might do the "lower than stock" build. With your Dakota donor truck still complete and sitting level, put an inclinometer on the lower control arms and write down the angle. (***uming you're using a 2-wheel drive donor). This will insure that when the International is finished, the angle of the Dakota lower control arms will be the same as they were stock and all the suspension geometry will be stock. Use the inclinometer on some part of the frame or spring hat or upper control arm mounting points inside the engine compartment to find the fore-aft angle of the front of the frame. You'll need this information later when you mate the Dakota clip to the International center section to make certain the clip is the same as stock so that you don't screw up the caster that's engineered into the front suspension. Write it down. With the Dakota front clip cut off at the firewall and sitting loose, dis***emble and remove the springs and shocks. Re-***emble without springs using Allthread, washers, nuts and whatever it takes to put the Allthread in where the shocks mounted to hold the whole mess together without the springs and at the control arm angle you found when you put the inclinometer on the lower control arms of the Dakota when the truck was complete. Chock up the Dakota clip at the fore-aft at***ude you found with the inclinometer in the engine compartment of the Dakota when it was still complete. With the International cab and center frame clip positioned at the height and at***ude you want as a finished product, roll the Dakota clip into place and connect the Dakota clip to the International middle frame section. Use your gas axe to cut pieces off the Dakota/International frame clips where they interfere with each other as you roll the Dakota frame clip into position. Position the center of the front wheel of the Dakota clip relative to the International body using the dimension you wrote down when you originally dropped a line from the body. Of course, you'll want to fish-plate the connections you make at the Dakota/International frame connection to ***ure integrity of the graft. The resulting connection might look somewhat like a "Z" as viewed from the side. This is called Z-ing the frame. Same thing in the rear. Measure the top of the differential tube to the frame or frame member with the Dakota complete and sitting on level ground. Write it down. You will have to remove the springs and fabricate some contrivance to hold the differential in place at that measurement. I might use some U-bolts and s**** plate to bolt to the housing, then weld a couple of pieces of thick-wall tubing to the s**** plate, coming off the plate in a "V" to bolt or tack the other ends of the tubing to the frame of frame member. Just something to hold the differential in place relative to the frame at ride height while you position it to mate up with the rear stubs of the International frame. If I were using a 4WD donor, I'd use the same V-bar fixtures front and rear. Of course, you'll want to measure on an "X" pattern between the front and rear Dakota clips to insure that the clips are square with each other and also square with the International center frame section before you begin welding the whole mess together. You can do this easily by dropping a plumb line down to the ground or working surface from two identical points on the front clip and two identical points on the rear clip and measuring on an "X" between the 4 points. Position the International at the ride height you want. Remove the fenders and bed. Whack off the frame rails about a foot in front of the firewall and a foot behind the cab with your gas axe. I think I would also find some new cab/frame insulators and install them on the center section of the International before I started mating up the center section to the frame clips. I also might box the center section of the International frame for strength, moving the boxing sections into the middle of the frame to leave a "ledge" on the inside of the frame rail for running electrical wiring, brake and fuel lines. This ***umes that the International frame is a "C" section frame at that point under the cab. If it's a full box design to begin with, then disregard the boxing information. If I were looking for a donor like this, I might try finding a truck with a fragged motor and/or transmission to make the purchase price more attractive. The one thing that would be MANDATORY in my opinion, would be a clear Carfax. You don't want to start with a frame that's been tweaked in an accident. I might even take a tape with me to go look at it before the purchase, crawl under and measure on an "X" between points underneath to insure that the frame if square. At any rate, when all done, it will be a simple task to order replacement ch***is/steering/brake parts. Just call up your favorite auto parts place and tell you want a whatchamacallit for a 19** Dakota. No h***le. All cool. If you can find a V8 donor, you will also have the advantage of Chrysler Corporation having installed the correct front and rear suspension to take the weight and power and a beefy V8 rear differential as well. How good does it get? Also with a V8 donor, you'll get the power steering pump and all the brackets to work on your 360 "A" motor. Graft the Dakota pedals and power brake booster to the International firewall. You might even want to use some or all of the interior parts from the Dakota. Seats, dash, whatever. I would definitely use the Dakota steering column. It will bolt right up to the steering rack and all is good, as long as the length will work out in the International cab. You will also have the V8 cooling system in place and positioned properly for your 360 motor. It will be a minor h***le to mount the hood latch and front fender mounts onto the Dakota core support, but you'll figure it out. Same with the bed mounting. You'll figure it out. Oh, and one last point if doing the 3-part swap, when you still have the donor truck all together, measure from a point on the upper control arm back to the firewall. You don't want to get the front clip all welded in and then discover that you have engine/firewall interference with the International firewall. Also, pay attention to the configuration of the Dakota firewall and take into consideration how the International firewall compares. Even if you have to screw up the "eyeball" a little, it will be better to move the clip a little forward from where the ideal is in order to avoid having to do firewall surgery. Also, pay attention to the clearance between the top of the transmission and the transmission tunnel on the International cab. You may have to adjust the ride height of the cab a little to make sure you don't have to do any surgery on the cab floor for transmission/bellhousing clearance. There are headers available for the '91-'96 Dakota V8. ****** makes 'em, part #5803, 1 5/8" primaries, long-tube. These are REAL tuned headers, not shorties. Problem might be, this is a frame swap and there's no way of knowing how the headers will work with the International firewall and center frame portion, so here's how I might go about it to make sure they would work with the 360 in the International. I'd weld a piece of 2" X 2" square tubing on the bottom of the Dakota clip crossmember and extend it toward the rear of the clip. You can cut it off with your gas axe and grind it smooth later when the swap is complete. I'd build a transmission tailshaft mount on it and install a caster wheel on the bottom of the tubing under the transmission mount, so that the whole clip rolls on the front wheels/tires of the Dakota clip and the caster wheel at the rear of the 2 x 2 (building, in effect a 3-point roller). You'd want to install the caster wheel so that the fore/aft tilt of the clip was the same as factory so that the front suspension geometry (caster) would be unaffected and install the transmission mount so that the motor/transmission has a 3 degree tilt to the rear. I'd mount the motor and trans I was going to eventually use in the swap into the clip and install the headers on the motor. This way, you could roll the entire clip/motor/transmission into place for connecting to the International frame mid-section and be ***ured that the engine/firewall, transmission/tunnel and header/frame/body clearance would be good to go and that the motor/trans would have the correct 3 degree back tilt to them. This ***umes, of course, that your workspace floor is level. Hopefully, you'll be able to position the centerline of the front wheels/tires somewhere close to the point you determined when "eyeballing" the front wheel/tire position on the International that looked best. If, after the truck is completed, you find that the weight is different enough between what the Dakota weighed and the International weighs and the control arm angle or differential tube to frame is a little off either way, you can order different springs to bring everything into spec by using these guys as a source. If they don't have what you need in stock, they can make it quickly. Just tell 'em what you need to do. Give 'em the original front and rear weights from the donor and the front and rear weights now and tell 'em how much lower/higher you want to go to get back to original on the control arm angles on the front and/or housing to frame measurement in the rear. http://www.eatonsprings.com/ This operation is not for the faint of heart, but will be a rewarding result for anyone who wants a '49 International that rides, handles, accelerates and brakes as good or better than an OEM late model truck and looks good doin' it. <!-- NewPP limit reportPreprocessor node count: 1/1000000Post-expand include size: 0/2097152 bytesTemplate argument size: 0/2097152 byte***pensive p****r function count: 0/100--><!-- Saved in p****r cache with key ccwikicache:idhash:2646-0!1!0!!en!2 and timestamp 20090420235611 --> <!-- end content -->
Anyone have any photos of the motor mounts in their dakota. Starting the stukota project. Located a nice SBC 350 and a 700R4 for 150 for the pair...Figure if I sell it, would be easier to sell with a belly ****on motor in it. Anyone have any pics of their mounts for non mopar motors? Looking for some inspiration!
Does anyone know if the cab mounts are close enough on the 58 D-100 series trucks to make it simple to swap over. I have limited fabrication skills but can weld anything you put in front of me.
This is one of Steve's Dodge Dakota crossmembers for a Chevy 1/2T 53 from Industrial Ch***is Inc. Is set up for a 350 AND 4l60E. tHE "K" member has been modified to drop the transmission outfrom the bottom with out removing the whole K member. These parts are also from ICInc.
Well I managed to strip apart the Studebaker/Dakota project. Yanked the stock motor and trans out of the ch***is, pulled the cab off. After looking at the frame a little closer I found that the s10 frames and the 87 Dakota frames are VERY similar. (Guess I didn't notice that when I put it together, then again...I was not aware of the S-10 ch***is till I started the 50 Chevy PU project) As a matter of fact, one could shorten the Dakota frame the same way you would do an S-10. Same style of ***embly on my frame. Front half welded to the rear channels. I will get some photos of that area. Laid up right now with pneumonia so the garage time will be short if at all for a little while.
Seems to be a lot of ch***is swaps for trucks but very few for autos. I'm looking to put a later ch***is under my 37 Olds. Wheelbase 117 Tread front 58" Rear 59"
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