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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by chopolds, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. chopolds
    Joined: Oct 22, 2001
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    Yeah, I know, it's not traditional, but I've seen posts here on how to put an Ipod into your old car.So a quick question for you stereo experts.
    Installing a PioneerCD tuner in a 55 Ford ragtop for a customer. Hooked up front speakers directly to the speaker output wires on the unit. RCA cables to the rear of the car, to an Amp, then to a pair of 6 x 9's and a sub. I get sound out of the fronts, but only a hum or vibration out of the 6 x 9's and sub. Fader has no effect on the rears, just modulates the fronts.
    Do I have to use RCA's for it to work right? how to do this without an Amp for the front speakers?
    Pioneer's tech was no help...so I figured I'd ask here.
     
  2. Trent_A
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  3. Sincity57
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    Depends on what kind of amp your running. You should be able to run the amp off the RCA's for the rears. The amp may have a "low pass" filter on it which is used for subs, but can be turned off in most cases, or you can try adjusting the Hz to a higher setting.
     
  4. Da Tinman
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    What model pioneer? Some have a built in low pass, I'll try to figure out how to make it work, I have a pionerr in my daily and its been a while since I had to mess with it.

    also dont run the rear speakers off the amp, the radio should be fine. if you run the rears off the amp you wont get any highs out of them or you will be running highs thru the subs niether of which is good.

    Oh yeah if it is the 80 watt per channel head unit, you might sugggest to the customer that they get a 50 watt. The 80 watter likes to overheat and can/will catch on fire!!!
     
  5. blown green t
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    I have run speakers like that many times and it works. I usually run the four speakers from the deck and just the sub woofer off the amp. 6x9's need a little more power so they would work better off of an amp. It sounds like the amp is not wired correctly. You should have a set of rca's, switched power from the deck, 12v battery, and a good ground for the amp. Like the other guy said check all the settings on the amps and make sure it is set for your aplication.
     
  6. THE CHIEF
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    x2 and i would run the rears from the deck also makes it easier to equalize, the amp is only good if your going to run all 4 speakers from it if its a 4 channel if its a 2 channel it better for bass cause u can bridge the channel for more punch
     
  7. zman
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    Yep, definitely need to know that... Mine has 3 sets of RCA's, front, rear, subs. Then it has the speakers leads from the head unit itself.

    Give us the model number....
     
  8. chopolds
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    OK, I wasn't sure how much detail to put in. Thanks to all who replied!
    Pioneer DEH-4000UB. Has both 4 peaker wire outputs and 3 sets of RCA's.
    Amp has 4 Channels, I bridged for the sub, the other 2 to the 6 x 9's. The amp (can't remember what brand/model) has switches for either sub, full range, or mid/tweeter output. I read the amp instructions twice to be sure the switches were set right. I think it was off for mid/tweet, LP for full range and HP for subwoofer. Also has gain dashpots (don't know what to do there!) It has switched power from the deck and that part is working correctly (main power direct from bat, with BIG cable).
    I thought that since it's a ragtop, I'd use the 6 x 9's from the amp, so he can crank it up to hear it when the top is down. And the amp did have the capability for it.....the owner bought the components, I didn't, just trying to make them work correctly!
     
  9. coryw
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    Did you run two sets of RCA's to the rear - one off of the sub output and the other off of the rear?
     
  10. zman
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    The page I pulled up on the DEH-4000UB has it listed as one set of RCA's that are rear or sub. But if you have 3, then you need to run the rears and the sub to the amp if it'll take 2 sets of inputs, if it only takes one set then run the rears to it and let the amp do the crossover for the sub.
     
  11. chopolds
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    Zman...thanks....that IS the way I have it set up. There are 3 pair of RCA jacks out back, labeled for front, rear and sub. Rear and sub to the amp, the single sub RCA is bridged. I'm going to double and triple check all the connections later, just to be sure, but I think it's set up right....except perhaps running the front speakers from the regular wiring, instead of the RCA's.
     
  12. do a search on this, so many threads.
    I run my iPod to a 600 watts, MTX 4 channel amp, 2 channels mono to the MTX 12" and 2 channels to a set of MTX 3 way 6x9s. Done deal. Loud as heck!
     

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