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Taste Test: The COLE 36 -VS- The 50Fraud 36!!!!!!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Kilroy, Aug 31, 2004.

  1. Kilroy
    Joined: Aug 2, 2001
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    Kilroy
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    from Orange, Ca

    Here's a lighthearted question of ethics (aesthetics)...

    Of two of the most beautifull Customs of all time which one do you like more?

    There are no winners or losers here, and only a ***** would criticize either of these cars, but let's just see what everyone has to say for comparisons' sake.

    It will be an "...ahead by a nose..." situation... A question of degrees of perfection.

    So which one do you wanna give up a more valuable body part for?

    (And if you are a tasteless hump that doesn't like either of these cars or if you just hate 35-36 fords *GASP* in genral, start your own post about how the 58 edsel is the ***iest production car of all time)
     
  2. Kilroy
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    Here are the combattants...

    50Fraud
     

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  3. Kilroy
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    Kilroy
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    MR Foster...

     

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  4. Kilroy
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    Kilroy
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    50Fraud...

     

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  5. Kilroy
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    Kilroy
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    36 COLE...
     

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  6. Kilroy
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    I'll Start!

    For me I love them both and on a Monday I'd take Cole's and a Tuesday I'd take 50Fraud's...

    But if I had to take only one, it'd probably be 50Fraud's.

    I like the purity of it. I don't know much about the build up but it just lives a certain era without any distractions.

    Cole's is exciting in another way, in that it embodies the essance of a style that transcends time. It's the ultimate custom from my perspective. But Traditional Customs don't transcend time. They pay homage to it in the form of honoring a generation of customizers that broke ground in this hobby. So that's why today, I'd pick 50Fraud's...

    It's a slight preferance mind you... I'd ******, **** myself and die (in that order) if I happened to find either of them in my garage one day. But I think it would be a slightly larger load if it were 50Fraud's.
     
  7. Alford
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    Is this some kind of a joke?
     
  8. 36couper
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    I guess I'm a *****..........skirts are for women.
    Seriously, I think to make an honest head to head comparison, Cole's should have a coat of shine on it. But I like finished cars so I vote for 50Fraud.............without skirts.
     
  9. Flexicoker
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    I vote Coles with a flawless coat of black. or maybe 50Frauds with Cole's stance. I dunno, they're both friggin spectacular.
     
  10. Mass Butcher
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    I don't think it would be fair to pick one over the other. Each was built with different end results in mind, and I think each achieved their goal, making them both winners in my book.
    (Wow.I could be a f'n politician with that answer [​IMG])
     
  11. Kilroy
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    Kilroy
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Is this some kind of a joke?

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    Yep it's a joke... Everything's a joke... If you get it.
    [​IMG]

    I know the cars are very similar but that's when the best discussions happen. It would be easy to talk about preferences between a 50 Merc and a 36, but where's the mental challange in that. It's about training your eyes to notice subtle differences in appearance and training your gut to distinguish subtle differences in "feel."

    And then telling me why I'm a *****...

    [ QUOTE ]
    I don't think it would be fair to pick one over the other. Each was built with different end results in mind, and I think each achieved their goal, making them both winners in my book.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    In that case, which do you think was the better goal? I agree that the end result of each is stunning, but taking away all pla***udes, which one would you rather have for your own?
     
  12. cheap-n-dirty
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    I wood take 50Fraud's because it is more like the one I had in the early 80's but lose the fender skirts and give it a (31/2") chop.
     

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  13. Gotgas
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    They're both gorgeous. I like the shiny black one because it's shiny and black, and I like the bare metal one because it's in bare metal. [​IMG]

    I'll just adore them both and realize that no car can satisfy all my vehicular preferences.
     
  14. =mike=
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    I am forced to side with Cole's car . I like customs , and I think the best custom is a very mild , very subtle thing . But TOO subtle and you lose the impact of a custom . Coles car just seems more custom to me . Little things make it different . The wheel covers , the stance , the body mods , they are all just a little more " custom " than the black car . That one looks more like a chopped stocker .


     
  15. Scotch
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    I don't like bumpers on '30s-era customs (or rods, for that matter), so I'd go Cole...

    Love 'em both, though...great cars.

    Scotch~!
     
  16. Donzie
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    I would agree with =mike=. The chop and the rake make a big difference. The black one is a beauty but I prefer the overall look of Cole's bare body. [​IMG]
     
  17. Anderson
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    Coles with 50frauds hoodsides. [​IMG]
     
  18. Harrison
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    [ QUOTE ]
    Coles with 50frauds hoodsides. [​IMG]

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    'Zactly what I was thinking.

    50fraud's is a killer. Cole's is a killer. The louvers in Cole's hoodsides throw me off though.

    JH
     
  19. 50Fraud
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    I'm incredibly flattered by this whole conversation. I like both cars, of course, but you're correct in observing that they were developed with different goals.

    I've never met Cole, but he is certainly a wizard at fabrication and a man with great taste. I think his car is more an "intentional custom" than mine is, and that he had a pretty clear vision of what he wanted when he started. There are several details on his car that are very creative and original: the hood sides, the tail pan, the flush skirts -- and I can't imagine the work necessary to build this car from a 5-window. It's much lower than my car all around, looks to have a deeper chop, and the stance is down in back.

    My car was very straight and black when I bought it in '95. I've made changes steadily since then, adjusting it in steps to "improve" it according to my old-school tastes. I've always intended that its style was that of an early-'50s magazine car, something I might have seen in the original Hop Up.

    I've always preferred tall wheels, so it's stayed on 16's as long as I've had it. The customizing on the tail was borrowed directly from the Jack Calori car, although I think the use of a '37 front bumper at the rear is original. The top was chopped 1 1/2" by Donn Lowe, who understood my desire to lose the wide-eyed look of the stock side windows without spoiling their graceful arch. Respecting tradition, we agreed not to fill the top insert.

    The choice of engine came straight from those early magazines: it's a GMC-blown flathead, which was the coolest old-timey motor I could think of.

    Up to that point, it had always been a nose-down hot rod. Thinking back to that early-50's period, I had admired early Fords with skirts, but they were waay out of style by the time I started driving. Phil Riehlman, one of the Hot Wheels designers, did a fanciful taildragger called "Swoop Coupe" a couple of years ago, and I thought it looked sensational. I decided that I would like to try reconfiguring the car as an early custom, so it went down in the rear (to dead level) with smaller rear tires, smooth running boards, and skirts. That's how it is today.

    I'm glad I did it, and the reaction has been generally favorable, but it's not yet a finished car. Its mechanicals and its appearance still have changes coming.

    I think Cole's car is spectacular, and I'm eager to see it finished. For that matter, I can't wait to see mine finished, either -- I still don't know how it will turn out.

    Again, I consider it a great compliment that you compare my car to Cole's at any level.
     
  20. Paul
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    as an observer?

    I would have to experience them in person to p*** judgement

    as an owner?

    wouldn't matter, I hack the **** out of either one,

    I'd have to make it mine ya know [​IMG]

    Paul
     
  21. DrJ
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    This is like discussin' with two of your friends which one of their wives you'd rather ****.
    Your *** is in deep **** if you say anything at all. [​IMG]
     
  22. Kilroy
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    Kilroy
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    [ QUOTE ]
    This is like discussin' with two of your friends which one of their wives you'd rather ****.
    Your *** is in deep **** if you say anything at all.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    I'd hope it isn't that serious...

    But I am asking people to step up and establish a real opinion which can sometimes be uncomfortable.

    There is no car I wouldn't do something different on so that goes without saying. I'd like to see either of those cars with "floating" 37 taillights in recesses in the fender for example. But I think we can agree that they are both beautiful cars and all I'm really asking is what makes one or the other more beautiful to you.

    I hope it turns into a good discussion of styling and aesthetics.

    That's why I didn't make it a Poll... I wanted more than just a yes or no type deal. [​IMG]
     
  23. Kilroy
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    [ QUOTE ]
    I think Cole's car is spectacular, and I'm eager to see it finished. For that matter, I can't wait to see mine finished, either -- I still don't know how it will turn out.


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    That's kinda why I chose your two cars...

    They're both evolving in their own way which I find exciting. I've never owned a completed car. Happy life is forward movement. To be "finished" it just that, death. The day that Hammond picks up his car, is the day it stops interesting me to this high a level.

    I have to admit too that big cool points are scored for me by the lack of modern suspension and the blown flatty on 50 Fraud's car also. That said I also love COLE's car's stance. Instead of 6 of one and half dozen of another, it's more like a 5 to 7 ratio for 50Fraud. [​IMG]
     
  24. Both beauties, but I choose Cole's.

    - Cole's has a round, plump and ***y look to it. Kind of like a vuluptous, naked Latina.
    - I prefer the caps on Cole's car. They're subtle. All attention is pushed toward the body and not the shoes.
    - Finally, there's just no comparison with stance. Cole wins hands down.

    I think I want to have ***ual relations w/ Cole's car [​IMG]
     
  25. cleatus
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    Guys who don't like skirts are not secure in their masculinity.

    I'd have to pick Cole's simply because of the extensive and masterful metalwork involved, but 50fraud's cars are perfect in other ways.
     
  26. SLAMIT
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    You could look at coles car every day for a year or more and see something new everytime. The whole less is more thing is so well executed on coles car. Everything works well together. You cant look at it and say well that is a nice car but what happened there.

    On the other hand 50 fruads is a way *****in car but had different goles set for it and looks like it was well achieved.

    So I would have to say coles is my pick but both are very nice cars.

    SLAMIT
     
  27. the engine on the 50fraud car is bad *** too i like both cars I cant pick a winner
     

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  28. KIRK!
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    You ****! You make me cry. I can't choose. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

    OK, if I had to pick I'd say.......the '36
     
  29. McGrath
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    I would have to lean more towards 50frauds, minus the skirts... [​IMG]
     
  30. Fat Hack
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    Hmmm...Tanya Roberts or Courtney Thorne Smith??? [​IMG]

    Been in love with BOTH of 'em since the 80s...and still couldn't pick between 'em! [​IMG]

    Ha Ha Ha...and with these two drop-dead-****ing-GORGEOUS rides, it's sort of the same concept!

    50fraud's is a little more 'mature' (in a very good way!) and elegant...where Cole's is a little *****ier and "younger", if ya follow.

    I love the roof and hood sides on Cole's...and the gleaming black paint on 50fraud's...

    Damn, I'd die happy to wake up next to either one! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

     

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