New Speedy's 9 super 7 3 bolt Carb

Not being able to see the carb (won't call it a 97), I will believe uncle max. Now, I remember when the UK 97s came out and had lots of issues. I still get them on occasion due to quality control..Idle jets solid, emulsion tubes upside down, float pin burred so float stuck. OK with that said. Who is to say that Speedway won't work out their issues and get them right..
Duane.
ps..I noticed that yo can't order them..

 

If ANYONE has a problem - of any kind - with a UK, Clive, Stromberg 97 carburetor, send it to me and it will be repaired, no questions asked, parts and labor, no charge and free shipping both ways. Will the guy in the funny hat say that?

 

So, Max, you didn't say whether you liked it or not...

Wow. I'm guessing that it could only start on accelerator pump squirt and not run at all with float buried like that. It would be interesting to measure fuel level! This thing will die fast if it is delivered in need of major adjustments. The market for brand new carbs is for people who seriously do not want to work on carbs!

 

And the continuing market for oversize shafts for original Strombergs baffles me. Whyinhell would you do machine work to rebuild a base that has removable bushings, and in light of all the flowbench reporting in car mags nowadays, whoinhell would go oversize on an obvious obstruction??

 

Harbor Freight importing junky tools is one thing, but maybe HotRod parts that need to be justified by going to China just should't be made. I think less of all involved. (my 2 cents)

 

I agree with you Bruce.. I`ve been wondering the same things myself as people tell you "you`ve got to have oversize shafts" seems just as important to people as Levis and grease.. People used to file DOWN their shafts (throttle shafts), maybe even just keep one side and thinning out the other threaded side.
Also thank you Uncle Max for the quality report, it was even worse than i could imagine, which says alot..

 

Now no one is thrilled about Chinese made carburetors.Chinese stuff is **** usually because it's built to a price,a cheap price.The Chinese do have the technology to build quality stuff if the USA supplier is willing to make sure the proper tooling and materials is used.And Argentina built is better than Asia,at least Argentina has hot rods and plenty of car crazy people.
300 bucks for those Speedy 97's is not cheap.Edelbrock,Holley and Demon build far more complicated carbs in this country for that same money and a bit more depending on the type of carburetor.So for 300 bucks the buyer should demand and get a quality unit .........maybe not?

 

If a "good" core means being able to reuse most of the parts, then there is no reason to buy new. You can be into a REAL 97 for under $200 after ya rebuild it.

 

You need a dam good set of metric chopsticks to work on this part!

 

Not defending anyone, but the obvious must be asked - if the carbs aren't yet available, whose to say you guys with carbs-in-hand don't have pre-production parts? Not atypical for pre-production (or even early production runs) to have issues - often several issues.

 

I bet some modifications are necessary as with all the speedway parts even the basic stuff.

 

First, thank you very much for taking the time to report! I think that entire statement is about as in-depth as you can get.

This is a good point. And being that I'm involved with the design of products, I can say from experience that this DOES indeed happen. HOWEVER... these are NEW products that these problems are found to be typical with. Strom 97's are far from being new and have been well refined over the years. The reverse engineering of a product and re-releasing of (in another form, only slightly different in appearance enough to prevent lawsuits) should mean either making improvements on the original design of the product or releasing it virtual identical so that the function of the product remains the same. Based on what is being said above, it sounds like someone tried to "reinvent the wheel" and failed miserably.

Maybe they were just trying to get their foot in the door of the vintage carb market for even just a minute, no matter what the result.

Just my $.02

 

I got my Limey '97's from Vaphead.

They were beautiful pieces.

JH

 

Yes, but no matter how well established the product they're copying, they're still creating specifications here, in English, sending them via some medium to China, having it translated, built on metric machines, then shipped back with who knows what for QC. There is plenty of room for developmental errors - that's all I'm saying. Prototypes are just that...prototypes. If these are production items being sold off the shelf at retail price to real customers, then it's a different kettle of fish...

 

Boy's Chinese on not you know 90% of all parts its made in China even lot of part "made in US" It's not this how are the big problem factory do what Customer ASK after if Cusomers Want **** they do **** and I think even in US iits customer how say what they want
Maybe Speedway firs see in his pocket ??? what do you think? But even hi have some good parts too so dont pait hell on the wall.

they how try and they how talk more.

Thanks

 

my bottom line on this.(for me).is

if it dont work and you paid 300 bucks for it..its ****..no matter where it was made or who made it..thats it.

everyone here in the USA would like to keep our money here..its been in our culture for decades..and as it should be , we need to be proud of what we have and can achieve.

so on that note i would rather build a set of 97's out of parts , than to blow my money out of here for something i will more than likely be disapointed with, theres plenty of guys on here that can build you a set of 97's ,,give your money to them and keep it at home

or just be happy with my 2G's

 

Wow. That's tradition right there

 

That might just earn a spot as my new tag line!

 

Agree **** should never be made.

But its be to exspencive to do alll in USA so this man or women how order it must
do Qvality its only this how sell.

We need company how have high Qvality even if they not earn last 10cent so sell it better. Right?

Hard to produce now when Dollar its to high and its be no Exsport with needs.

If all parts be to exspencive how can we have more younger to start and take ower after us??

Im glad my two son's have hotrods better then much outher hobbies.
So its good if we take care of that

 

Here's the link to the other thread about these:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3729781

~Jason

 

Oh come on . . . run em, get em dirty . . . have some fun

 

I’ve noticed several posts here stating how much they dislike the new Speedway carbs, Yet there are no posts from anyone who has actually installed or actually tested one.
We recently completed a Vintage Carburetor Shoot-out for an upcoming magazine article in which we tested the English Stromberg 97, The Speedway 9super7, and rebuilt Holley 94’s, 2100’s and 2110’s. Without giving away the whole article, that is slated to come out in July, I can tell you the Speedway carb performed equally as well as the English Stromberg, and on many pulls the Speedway version maintained more consistent air/fuel ratio’s than the English Strombergs. Both versions of carbs performed well right out of the box; both came with .045 jets stock and both were re-jetted to .042 to optimize air/fuel for our engine.
Ultimately the rebuilt Holley ECG5 carbs took home the most horsepower on out test engine (a 292 ford Y-block, with mild Clay Smith cam, MSD ignition and 9.0:1 compression) but then again they have a 1-1/16 venturi size and our engine was looking for all the carb it could get through the 573 Edelbrock manifold.
BOTTOMLINE: The Speedway Carb is a good value if you don’t want to mess around rebuilding carbs or spend more for the English version. The English 97 is a beautiful piece and also performs well for $150.00 more. The Holley’s are excellent carbs but will require a lot more tinkering. For the Holley’s, we ended up purchasing 16 cores in order to ***emble enough parts to bring 9 into the dyno. We also tested different linkage setups and power valve configurations and bases, but more on that later.

 

There are reputable people who have tested these carbs.

http://www.garagescene.co.uk/stuff/97.doc

Why they're not even close to genuine stromberg 97's: http://www.stromberg-97.com/pdf/Stromberg_vs_Speedway_9super7_V2.pdf

Why is this thread still open?

On a more positive note, I'm excited to see your 94 test.

 

Where did the Speedway carb come from? Was it bought anonymously? Or gotten from Speedway for testing? As a first post I have to say I can't buy right into this. The one I looked at in Charlotte did not impress me, especially when I looked inside it. Maybe stick around, do an intro, let us know who you are and maybe we'll take you a little more seriously.

 

I don't think there's much more to say about the Speedway carb until someone can simply order one, remove it from its box, and install it on an old Ford. If he can drive away happily after screwing it down, without any further wrenching or puzzling, Speedway is going to make a lot of money. If it requires a carb guru and seventeen frantic postings on the HAMB to get it moving, heads are going to be rolling at Speedway. People who buy new carbs expect pretty much instant results, not a science project, or they would be tinkering with ancient s**** like I do.

 

I'd be less su****ious if you'd name the magazine, and who you are referring to as "we".

 

Hear, hear. This thread is like drinking drano. Sure, it fills you up, but it leaves you feeling hollow inside (Naked Gun anyone?). Please for the love of God, close this until someone does what Bruce says.

Buys it blind, installs it, and gives real field testing and not some unknown mag. dyno test. For all we know, your first post maybe for the Speedy Bill mag of carbs., July '09 issue

Also, I think what has gotten a bunch of guy's ******* in a wad is how Speedy Bill flat out stole the look of the packaging from Clive. With a little digging, that wasn't the first time 'Ol Bill "borrowed" the ideas of others without giving them the credit.

One highlight of this thread was the I Want To Believe pict. I made a poster of that for my garage. Downright hillarious.

 

Yes, it's true I haven't posted here... But there seemed to be a lack of any real hands on testing on this thread so I felt I would offer some. To answer a few of your questions, The magazine is Street Thunder and my name is Mark Simpson, Editor/Executive Director. The story will run in the July/August issue. The engine was prepped by Outcast Kustoms in Eagan, MN. (Yes, that is my sons business) The machining and ***embly was done at Cottrel Racing Engines / TPIS in Chaska MN. And Clay Witt of TPIS was the Dyno operator and performed the testing. The carbs were straight off the self and received a day and a half after placing the order. I can’t say the same for the Stromberg 97’s that took nearly four months to come in. Don’t get me wrong here they are not of the same level of overall build detail as the English built Stromberg 97, but our tests demonstrated they are a good low cost alternative. The rebuilt Holley’s did out perform both but took a great deal more dyno time to get them optimized on dyno, so for simple plug and play operation the both of the Stromberg versions were more suited for ease of use.

 

There was a right up on these (carbs) by Jere Jobe. NOT GOOD but very honest. Believe it ws aweek ago or so right here on the HAMB, if I not mistaken. Iceman