Dumb motor question #873: What pulleys and brackets do I need to get to use a late-model ('87-94) 350 Chevy motor with a SHORT water pump. I will be running power steering and air conditioning, and I want the alternator on the driver's side and the A/C pump on the p***enger side. I ***ume the pulleys are going to be a lot more generic than the brackets (less change from year to year)? I'm on a low budget here. I'd like to get factory GM brackets and pulleys if possible, because they look better to me and because they're cheaper used than new aftermarket stuff. The motor is going into a '51 Chevy with an '82 Grand Prix subframe. I've never used a short water pump before, but this motor came to me with no pulleys or brackets at all so I can start from scratch. The problem is I don't know what years/models of Chevy stuff will work for me. I tried a quick search on eBay but there were hundreds of pulleys listed and most of them were by specific car (something like "67-69 Camaro") rather than by pump style. In the old days I'd have just wandered around a junkyard looking under hoods until I found the combo I needed and pulled it all off of one car, but the junkyards around here these days think that 1998 is too old! (Seriously. I was looking for a 1998 Olds part last month and one guy actually laughed at me for thinking they'd have anything that old!!) Help for the clueless, please?
You're going to have a problem with the short water pump, the only gm brackets put the altntr on the drivers' side; the a/c comprssr hung off the ramshead manifold on p***ngr side. And the comprssr is old style and had additional bracketry on the front connecting to the waterpump. Your life would be much easier if you went with long water pump, bracketry/hardware/componants etcetc will be off the shelf from many different sources.
what type of pulley does the ac compressor have. Some gm stuff with a serp belt was reverse rotation. pics would be helpful. You can always look around at some of the alliance vendors. they may have a kit or something.
I have a long water pump, 1.5" spacer, flex fan, and I had to move the radiator forward quite a bit. I wonder if the serpentine setups 88-up are any shorter?
No... serpentine belt setups are longer. I'm wanting to say they are between 8-10 inches forward of the block.
Do a search on google for corvette parts any of the catalog companies will have what you need older corvettes all used short water pumps Gary
Your local GM dealer can sell you new pulleys for the short pump. Alan grove has nice brackets. I acn get the numbers for the GM pulleys if the dealer can't find them.
V8 monza with air conditioning. The alternator is more of a top mount than driver's side, but it has p***enger side air conditioning and a low hoodline A 75 vette has driver side alternator, short pump, and p***enger side AC.
If it can be aftermarket, look here: http://alangrovecomponents.com/S.B.Short_Pump.htm I know some new designs were in the works that aren't on the site. I'd suggest you call if you don't see something.
Look up Bill's Brackets, I think it is Bills Hot Rod shop. He has just what you need and you MUST use a short water pump, all the stock pulleys wil work with his brackets.
All Chevys prior to 1969 used short water pumps. Your best bet is to find the parts from a '67-'72 Chevrolet truck, '65-'68 Full size P***enger car, or '64-'68 Chevelle. Novas and Camaros also used the same or similar components. Look for these parts if you want to use OEM GM parts. The brackets and pulleys from these vehicles varied a little in design but were all used with a short water pump. Brackets and pulleys are available in the aftermarket. As stated before, Alan Grove offers quite a selection of brackets. Using GM brackets would be my choice if possible, but sometimes they won't work because they all set the components very wide on the engine. Aftermarket brackets are offered in different designs to fit different applications.
Thank you! THIS is exactly the information I was looking for. I KNOW I can call Alan Grove or open up a catalog and buy the brackets and pulleys I need, but I want to buy factory GM stuff as much as possible because to me the brackets look much better and unless I buy the expensive ones the aftermarket pulleys are not very good. I don't mind fabricating a bracket or two, but the pulleys are what I really want to buy used, rather than Summit or Speedway or something like that. (I did a search on the HAMB and word is the chrome aftermarket pulleys are pretty lousy!) Going back to someone else's post: I thought that driver's side alternators were common on '60s Chevies? Isn't that what the bracket built onto the ram's horn manifold is for?
Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly: Pulleys from just about ANY pre-1969 Chevy with the correct number of grooves (i.e. power steering and A/C) will work, correct? Brackets might be harder to come by for the exact configuration I want, right? But Corvette brackets will work if I can find them? If I can't find those, I'll look into Alan Grove and Bill's Brackets and make some myself. (I made the A/C bracket on my current car, so I know it's not rocket science.) Do I have this right? This is only my second-ever SBC (I'm a BOP man myself) and the first time I've used a short water pump. (And I'm doing that because I have the long pump on the 350 in my '53 Chevy and it is really close to the radiator. I want a little more room and since I'm starting out with NO pulleys or brackets it seemed logical to go with the short pump.)
You might contact ebay gotpulley or bigblockjim454@cox.net 480-981-3096 (h) 602 751-0454(C) I wanted the same configuration as you and he had everything. He definately knows pulleys/brackets.
i all ways use s-10 1993 to 95 4.3 brackets waters pump&pulleys it gives you everything your looking for .they are cheap bolt up reliable they have the a/c comp. is in the p***enger side and it should fit well with your set up.if its hard to find let me know. iwill try to help you out.
So are you saying the pulleys and brackets work with ANY short Chevy water pump, or do I need the water pump for that year/motor as well. (It doesn't matter, really, but I need to know what water pump to buy.)
yes you will need the water pump from the 4.3 because its a serpentine belt and its reverse flow water pump.but this is by far the cheapest way to go and very reliable.you can also get it from a astro van pre 95.
No deal. The only reason for going through all this is to use the short water pump to pick up room in front of the motor. Thanks for the offer, though!
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